Showing posts with label equipment. Show all posts
Showing posts with label equipment. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Looking to start reloading, need input on equipment

The price bump is actually more like $50. (Lee's Challenger lists for $66 and the Lee Classic Turret for $105)

Speed and convenience. A practiced person can easily double his speed if that is important to you.

Look at it this way.

Dies for your three calibers: $100 to $120
Decent scale: $25 to $80
Manual $35 Two, $70.
Priming system $25
Calipers $30
Tumbler 430
Miscellaneous small tools $50

About $330 without a press

$65 for a Lee Challenger (a bit more for the superior Classic Cast) press brings you to $395
$105 for a Classic Turret brings you to $455 (the extra $20 for a couple of extra turrets
A 15% bump in cost for a press that you will keep for a very long time, even if you go to a progressive for one or two of your calibers.

What is $50 in ammunition? 3 boxes? Of course, the turret will cost you more because you will be able to shoot more.

If you do more than 50 to 100 rounds at a sitting, you will appreciate the turret over the single stage, at least for handgun ammunition.

What is the operational difference between a single stage and a turret press?

Short answer:

A single stage can only do batch operation, turret can do continuous operation or batch almost equally well.

Batch operation is slower than continuous operation because with continuous processing you only insert and remove the cartridge case once per cartridge the case going through all the loading steps without ever exiting the press). With batch processing, you handle the case through multiple insert-remove cycles. Thus a Turret can be maybe 2 to 4 times as fast as a single stage.

Long answer:

A turret is a single stage with multiple die stations. That is the only operational difference. But that difference allows a turret to do either continuous operation or batch where a single stage is practical only for batch processing.

Single stages tend to be (but are not necessarily) stronger and stiffer. This is mostly because single stages' frames are usually of one casting where turrets are of at least two parts assembled, and they move, which pretty much requires some clearance. In practice, the difference is vanishingly small. But we still argue over it.

Like a single stage, a turret press does only one thing (operation, like size/deprime, belling case mouth, seat/crimp) at a time, but switching between those is nearly instantaneous. This makes continuous processing practical. (In contrast to progressive presses do multiple different steps simultaneously.)

Batch processing; you can do your batches in 50 as I do(did) or 20 or 100 or 1,000. But the operations are the same. (For pistol) Size/deprime and prime 50 rounds, then switch dies and bell and charge 50 rounds. Inspect the charges in a batch and switch dies. Seat and crimp 50 rounds. Batch is done. Move on to the next batch.

Continuous processing: Put an empty case in the press and do all the operations (size/deprime, bell/charge, seat/crimp) and remove the finished cartridge only when all the steps are done. This saves a lot of handling the cases (at least three insertion-removal cycles) and amounts to a lot of time saved.

If the press indexes the dies automatically, this saves a LOT of time. If you index the die stations manually, it is a little slower, but still much faster than batch processing.

Turret presses can do either batch processing (as a single stage) or continuous processing with equal facility.

I suggest you view the many (almost too many) videos showing the operation of various presses.

Lost Sheep

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Vent: reloading equipment stolen

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I had two wooden footlockers of reloading tools and supplies stolen from a barn at the farm last weekend. I am in the process of moving my reloading set up from the farm to the house here at the lake and when I was over there today, I noticed that the sliding door had been broken into. I am sick. It is not the dollar value, but that some low life got my stuff, some of which I started reloading with in 1959/60.

There was my first press, a Herters, powder measures, Mec shotgun press. Ohas scales and dies for several calibers I don't use much, but they were mine and not for sale or theft--25-20, 38-40, and others, several of the Herters and several sets of quality Bystrum Dies. Four pounds each of Red Dot and 700X and 1000+ 110 G .30 carbine bullets. Lost some tools and saddles, but they stole the 2 least valuable saddles in the tack room--newer and cleaner, but cheap and one synthetic. Guess I am glad I sold 20 saddles last year.

Dang, I could shoot a thief. Or nail his scrotum to a stump, set the stump on fire and give him a hatchet.
Vent over, but not forgotten.

"A gentleman will seldom, if ever, need a pistol. However, if he does,he needs it very badly!" Sir Winston Churchill
Sorry to hear...

Hopefully Karma is on your side.

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." - Ronald Reagan
Sorry to hear that.......There is low-life everywhere and they are becoming more prolific.
Good idea, that stump thing !!
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But then, I repeat myself."
--Mark Twain

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "
--Thomas Jefferson

I'll keep my ears open maybe it will show around here never know. how far are you from Abilene?
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees~!
That really bites! I dont have anything that I cant replace, but It has a special value to me 'cause I've had it so long, and it's MINE. So I know what you mean. And it may be really hard to replace your stuff right now, because most shops are out of everything. People like that should be TARGETS!

Yes I can spell, I just can't type!
Ken

NRA Life Member

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

"The remedy for evil men is not the abrogation of the rights of law abiding citizens. The remedy for evil men is the gallows." Thomas Jefferson

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason Co-author of the Second Ammemdment

Ranger, I live almost 300 miles east of Abilene. Know that country well though--lived at Blackwell and farmed hogs, wheat, cattle and sheep for years as well as being in oil field construction business. Thieves will probably sell it for pennies on the dollar. I called SO and filed report and as good a list as I could and personally faxed several pawn shops a list--some of these guys are friends and will look out for this stuff. Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Assn has description of the saddles--they look for these as well as stolen cattle.
"A gentleman will seldom, if ever, need a pistol. However, if he does,he needs it very badly!" Sir Winston Churchill
Sorry to hear about your loss Bear.

May your wishes come true about these animals/

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That stuff will end up on Craig's List, a local pawn shop, or gun show. Keep your eyes pealed, and your hammer handy.
Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA-Life, Varmint Hunter's Assn, ARTCA, American Legion, & South Cuyahoga Sportsmen's Assn.

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"An armed society is a polite society"--Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass"--Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

That stuff will end up on Craig's List, a local pawn shop, or gun show. Keep your eyes pealed, and your hammer handy.Exactly. Keep an eye out on your local Craigslist. You've already notified the pawn shops, which is good. Might also send out some letters w/descriptions to local gun stores.

I've still got a week or so of medical recuperation leave left so I'll keep an out on the local Craigslist as well. If I find anything, I'll contact you. You bring the nails and hammer and I'll bring the lighter fluid.

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Having been the victim of theft of guns and equipment 3 times I know how you feel. I was just thinking of a couple of the guns today and talking with a friend, Malcom (fellow member). Made me mad all over again.
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