What do I have here? Never seen these before, 9mm Plastic?

Headstamp reads as follows, "IVI" on the top "9mm" on the lower left and "08" on the lower right.

The photo is of a plain 9mm 9x19 case, with this case compressed and extended next to it?

Any ideas as to what it is?

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This should help:

IVI = Industries Valcartier Inc. (Presently SNC Technologies Inc.) ...it's Canadian, Vancouver
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They look like Simunitions ammo. It's a training round...the capsules should be filled with "paint"...used by military and L.E.

Alrighty, we were debating it being a wax projectile or some type of pepper ball setup.

We found 10 at the range, trying to think of something constructive/destructive to do with them.

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They look like Simunitions ammo. It's a training round...the capsules should be filled with "paint"...used by military and L.E.What he said...
Your weapon has to be converted (with a kit) to fire them. They are better than paintball guns but fairly expensive. We have the kits for our M4's and M9's but cannot get any more rounds due to cost.

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Maybe the casing can be used for a leight weight .40 bullet in the 140-150 grain range

I loaded a few this morning with a small rifle primer and a wax bullet.

They chambered and fired in our 9mm largo 'test' gun(bad barrel)

Not really good for anything, but fun to play with, now they'll go in the box of junk for a later date.

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dryball has it right , there's a lil plastic domed capsule filled with paint , they have six slits and when they impact a flat hard surface they leave a cool lil paint star splatter ( that looks like those six slits enlarged into a starburst ) they come in several calibers and i think i like the 38 special ones best lolz

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Simunitions ammunition. Has a little plastic bullet filled with dye (blue and red). Used in special weapons so they would function the action. Used a lot in MOUT training.

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These bullets just don't want to release...

Did you follow the cycling procedure outlined by Al in the instruction sheet?
Are you using a hotplate to bring the mold up to temp before casting?
What is your alloy temp?
Are all 5 cavities sticking?

Jerry

To the best of my ability, yes.

I wasn't using a hotplate the first time but I just tried it and it didn't help. The problem isn't relegated to the first few casts anyways; I'll cycle the mold 50 times and it'll happen every single time.

I don't have a thermometer but I use a Lee 4-20 pot and have the temperature set as high as it will go, so probably around 800+. This is the only way I can get complete fill out with this mold, and even then I still get rounded edges sometimes. None of the bullets ever come out frosty. I am casting as fast as I can, but obviously having to whack the mold 40 times to clear the bullets slows things down a bit.

Yes, all five are sticking; I have not noticed any particular cavity that was noticeably worse than the others.

Also, I'm using an alloy of 50/50 Linotype and COWW with a bit of foundry type thrown in.

This is absolutely baffling to me.

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Old CH Half-Jacket dies. What Press do these fit?

I recently picked up these dies. Old CH (by Roddy) swaging dies. One is for .357 SWC and the other is .454 and looks like a wadcutter.

Wondering what press these were originally intended for as the nose punch has a holder not typical for use in modern presses.

I'm going to make some new punches to work in my press. I am simply curious about the history on this kind of die.

Thanks!

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So the the part with the punch holder is the ram out of a Swag-O-Matic?

Thanks for the link...

Mike

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more-What are these? boolits

What are these? One on left is hp. More jars from estate sale. These are 38 special? I've Just been loading 2 years, 380,9,40,45. Thats it.

workin @ Ft. bragg

.358156.... It is designed to be an accurate boolit for the .357mag. But it can be loaded in .38spl brass in the lower crimp groove so that it wont fit .38spl chambers, but still has the same case capacity as the .357mag.

i'll go long with the 156, pretty dang good boolit.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

Time to get a 38/357

? below.

one of my girlfriends at work brought a big bag of 38 sp brass over to the house. Said she is buying a 4die lee set. You guys give me some tips on loading these in 38 brass? I have win231/winchester primers. I have ss washer.

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For starters, this is a gas check boolit. Can you load them without the GC's ?? Yes, but it might work out and it might not. Just put loob in the bottom loob groove. That should be adequate. This assumes you're not tumble loobin. If so, tumble them, twice. I size mine at almost .359. Load them, using dummy cart's so that the OAL will work in the .38SPL cylinder. Find a load using your 231 and go have fun. Mike

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Will these work for the 03A3 ?

I have not had good luck yet with my 03 shooting cast. I have tried .308 and .309 bullets to no avail.
Tried lots of powders/charges and different lubes, all GC bullets.
My bore slugs .3085 - .309 and looks new, CMP gauge is less then 1 muzzle wear.

Should I try 170gr. Lyman 311291 sized .310 - .311
Also would it hurt to try a 185 grain .311 RN for the .303 Brit. in my 03 ?

What boolit/powder combinations were you using? What alloy? Did you get any leading in the bore?

Hard to say what your troubles may be without knowing condition of the throat in your rifle.

.308 almost always too small. Mine like .310" best, but a worn throat may prefer .311". Try slugging only the first inch of your bore to see what you get. I take a case, drill out the primer for a 1/4" rod, then open the neck up to .312 or so. Slip the slug into the neck, insert into chamber and drive the slug in about half an inch. Then run another rod down from the muzzle and with the first rod held firm, give the muzzle rod a few taps to really expand the slug. Remove the chamber-end rod and the case, and drive the slug out. Measure. The boolit has to fit that part of the bore, or it'll never be accurate.

For worn throats the 311041 sized as large as will chamber should work better. Worked well in an old Savage .303 that I resurrected recently. Wish I had a .311467 mould. That one also should work well in worn throats.

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Will try to slug just the throat as described, it should be fine as the barrel has less then 500 rounds through it.

As for loads tried:
No idea of the alloy as I don't cast, but I get no leading, volocityhas been between 1550 - 1650fps.
Have tried 170, 173, 180 and 185gr. boolits all GC'ed and .308 and .309 flat and round nosed.
Powders used so far are 2400, 4759, of varying charges seated touching and just off the lands.
I'm going to try 4064 since I have a lot of this powder.
Best group at 50yds has been a about 1.5" but the norm has been 2" - 3" and would not call them groups

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New Addition to the bench...which one of these is not like the other

Check out the new additional to my bench, which one of these is not like the other

See who can guess right

Seriously now I need a bigger bench need more bench space.

If you guessed Red you are right....just got it setup I'll post a review later

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Once fired 45acp jackets, can these be reused somehow??

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Picked up some old bullets from a closed shooting range, melted the lead out of the bullets and was left with the jackets.
Is there a way to reuse these or are they junk??

i suppose anything is possible but IMO good for scrap copper prices. If you could get them clean enough you could draw them to a smaller size and re-stuff them

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That is what I was thinking, but I just don't know enough about this stuff to know for sure.

I have tried swaging fired boolits I have recovered intact.
the results are pretty ummm varied.
if you could pick out the 45's that weren't too beat up you could most likely swage them back into shape.
the equipment you used would dictate how easy it was and the results.
the diameter of the fired bullets might need to be changed before the final forming.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

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runfiverun, where would a person find the dies to do such a thing??

If it could be done I would like to give that a try.

I've also done it, but with my equipment I can't totally erase the rifling impressions from the previous firing. They make functional, but ugly, bullets. I also worry about debris that may be imbedded in the jackets that I haven't been able to get out when tumbling them, since "stuff" gets imbedded upon impact.

Hope this helps.

Fred

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Please help identifying these Corbin Dies

I have 4 of these corbin dies. The boxes are labeled point form die for .224, 22 hornet pt form die, 224 core seat, and 243. These are handwritten labels on the original corbin box so I am unsure if thats what they really are.

The 2 point form dies are fairly easy to ID. But I have these two and I can't figure out what they are. They both apear to be core seat dies, but I am a newb and know very little. The die on the right has a stem that measure .201" and has what appears to be 3 vent holes. The one on the left has a stem that measure .219" and no vent holes. My first inkling is that they are the .224 and .243 core seat dies or maybe even a squirt die??? Can I get a confirmation? Thanks in advance!

Thanks!

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The one with the holes is a bleed or squirt die. Based off your diameter I would say for a .224 core. The other based off your measurement would be a core seat die for .224 jackets.

Try measuring the holes in the dies and I think it will make more sense to you.

Oh yeah. You should also have some rods for these with knurled nobs on the top. Those are used for the ejection process.

Yes I have those ejection rods. The holes in the dies are very close to the same diameter as the pins as they are machined to extremely close tolerances. Thanks for the info!

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Yes they should be very close but take for instance the core seat die should be right at .223 and the squirt die should be about .207 enough for the lead core to fit inside of a jacket.

Yes sir! Thanks for the info. I am slowly learning. Now I just have to figure out the difference between the 224 standard pt form die and the "22 hornet" pt form die. Probably subtle differences in the ogive figuring the hornet usually shoot lighter bullets. I will just have to swage some and see for myself. Thanks!

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I would definitely be interested. Let me know, if you would please, what you come up with. Just some more learning!

I doubt that Corbin called them hornet dies. I would hazard a guess that the previous owner just put that in there so he knew what die he was using to make bullets for what rifle. Since a 22 hornet uses fairly light bullets my guess would be that its probably a 6s or blunter Ogive radius. I would also almost bet my life that it is marked with an ogive such as 1E 3/4E 4s 5s 6s ETC. when you get to spitzer shaped bullets the higher the "S" number the pointer the ogive is and usually heavier the bullet is.

Reload, kinda what I was thinking... Thanks for all the help! These are handwritten labels on the original corbin box so I am unsure if thats what they really are.

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Check these out! My first rifle boolits!!

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Yep, them's really purdy!!!! Good job!

Ugly. Send them to and I'll dispose of them for you.
Isn't it great when it all comes together?? At least it was for me. Took many tries to get boolits that look like those that you did the first time.
Good for you.

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From my experience, even today, I assume those are carefully chosen! None of them came from the cold mold at the beginning.

Very nice, especially for the first effort.

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From my experience, even today, I assume those are carefully chosen! None of them came from the cold mold at the beginning.

Very nice, especially for the first effort.

Actually it is a brand new mold! These are the first ones I did and the first ones for this mold too!
I warm my molds before I start casting. I'll lay them on top of the pot while the lead is melting and then I touch it to the molten lead. I'll then only have to make 2 or 3 pours before the mold is ready.

It's not the destination, it's the journey.

I was gonna say I doubt this is sup's first go round with a mold.
he has been here for quite a while.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

Nup. Can't be your first. Too perfect looking.....

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Yep, not to shabby.... Ya did good!

Heck, I'd load them and shoot them, too !! Mike

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They look great! This will be a good example for someone who is just getting started. New mold and look at the results.

They sure look good and I know you have the bug by stacking them so pretty for a picture!

I was gonna say I doubt this is sup's first go round with a mold.
he has been here for quite a while.Well r5r, I must agree - but these could be his first RIFLE bullets after casting 1000's of pistol bullets and learning the art.

Still damn fine looking bullets!!!

Now shoot them and see how they group. Good luck

Good looking stuff, regardless of how much experience you have.

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Oh yes guys, I've been casting pistol boolits for a few years now, I just have never cast rifle boolits. I was really surprised how these turned out too. And yes, I did set them all up nice and perdy just for the picture!!

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Those look great. I can't see any seams and the corners all seem pretty sharp. How is their diameter? Curious because of a 'frosted boolit' thread that was going on recently.

Care to share your mold prep method, as whatever it is seems to have worked!

Is this the new style lee mold (with alignment pins) or old style with fins at either end and rods below the cavity?

Nice job! Bet it'll be even more fun when a five shot group goes into the same ragged hole.

Wow...all those straight lines of shiny boolits. That gets my OCD kicked into high gear.

Great Job

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Those look great. I can't see any seams and the corners all seem pretty sharp. How is their diameter? Curious because of a 'frosted boolit' thread that was going on recently.

Care to share your mold prep method, as whatever it is seems to have worked!

Is this the new style lee mold (with alignment pins) or old style with fins at either end and rods below the cavity?

Nice job! Bet it'll be even more fun when a five shot group goes into the same ragged hole.

This is the new Lee C309-160-R and it's throwing boolits right on the money!! .309" measured with my dial calipers. I weighed a handful of them and they came in around 160 rains, 159.8 to 160.2 grain with a few of my samples. This mold has the alignment pins too. I got in several of the new molds with the alignment pins and they throw boolits without any seams!! My older molds seem to throw boolits with seams quite a bit.

Prepping this mold went like this: I took it out of the box and grabbed a handful of Q-Tips. I soaked them with Brake Cleaner and scrubbed the mold cavities and entire aluminum block. I then smoked it with a Bic lighter and set it on top of the melter. When the lead melted I stuck the corner into the melt for about 45 seconds. I then poured 2 or 3 molds to help heat it up. I then started casting. I wait until the sprue hardens and them tap the sprue cutter with a gavel and drop the boolits onto a soft towel. I then scoop them up with a spoon and drop them in ice cold water. I cannot go too fast or the mold gets too hot and the boolits start to frost. I just watch the boolits as they come out to see what they look like to pace my casting.

This is the same way I do my pistol boolits also.

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Very pretty.

In that first pic the gap between the two on the left is less than the others.

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Very pretty.

In that first pic the gap between the two on the left is less than the others.

Oh shoot!!!!!!! Now I've got to do that photo shoot ALL over again!!!

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