Remington Model-11

A Model 11 in good shape is a fine shotgun. They shoot rapidly (like, all five empties in the air rapidly), and are pretty much failure free.
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Browning Gold triggers...???

Its a tough day in Seattle too....67 degrees and 52% humidity ....and clear blue skies....

24K gold plated......really..../ oh well.../ I didn't buy all of those Brownings for the triggers appearance anyway....but they do look nice....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82011&d=1339792349 ....my sporting clays, skeet, 5 stand...and field guns...Citori XS Skeet models...

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38072&d=1226363017 shot this 20ga BPS yesterday ...and managed a semi respectable 92 out of 100 in Skeet...( and only forgot to pump it once all day...)...I had not shot that gun in at least 15 yrs probably .../ but my buddy challenged me to a "pump gun day"...so I had to step up ! I think the BPS 20ga was new in 1988...

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7mm-08 loads for Encore

My pet load for my 7mm is Hornady 139 BTSP over 57 grains of IMR4350. Last time I was out I had weighed the bullets and was using 138.6-138.7 and had a 5-shot group that I could cover with a dime. Win cases and CCI 250. For my rifle I set the OAL at 3.290.

So maybe some IMR4350 might do some good for you in the 7mm-08.

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Long range hunting

Off-hand standing, my personal longest shot is 320 yards.
COULD fit that standard longer?? Certainly possible......BUT

To me, that is match shooting, or a prayer for hunting. No way I would take the shot while hunting. That means(again to me) that I didn't "Hunt" very well, and couldn't get close enough to take a reasonable shot.

Not a condescending statement to others, just my take on things.

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Flashlight Giveaway!

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Snail Mail Snooping

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us...mail.html?_r=0

Hmmm ...

As the world focuses on the high-tech spying of the National Security Agency, the misplaced card offers a rare glimpse inside the seemingly low-tech but prevalent snooping of the United States Postal Service.

Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, but that is only a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.

Together, the two programs show that snail mail is subject to the same kind of scrutiny that the National Security Agency has given to telephone calls and e-mail.

The mail covers program, used to monitor Mr. Pickering, is more than a century old but is still considered a powerful tool. At the request of law enforcement officials, postal workers record information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered. (Actually opening the mail requires a warrant.) The information is sent to whatever law enforcement agency asked for it. Tens of thousands of pieces of mail each year undergo this scrutiny.

It seems to me there is one HUGE difference between this snail mail snooping (not that I approve of it) and PRISM: The gummint can get a warrant and open someone's mail only before it has been delivered. If they analyze his/her mail pattern six months or two years down the road, they can't go back and retroactively open as many of the letters as they choose -- without a warrant, if they decide to play it that way. Once the letter is delivered, it may or may not be retained by the recipient. More than likely, an honest person might hang onto certain letters, but a conspirator would almost certainly shred and/or burn any potentially incriminating letters almost immediately upon receipt.

With PRISM, if I correctly understand what I've been reading, they copy and store ALL e-mail messages, but they don't actually read them unless they later get a warrant. ("No, really, we don't. Honest. Heck, would we lie to you?") So they have a copy, not just of the so-called (inaccurately) metadata, but the actual communications. That makes PRISM vastly different and far more insidious than either snail mail program.

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From my neck of the woods...3rd Amendment lawsuit.

From my neck of the woods...3rd Amendment lawsuit. This one is a bit unusual given the grounds of the lawsuit. According to the court document and the article the family is suing for forced occupation of their home(s), among other things. It is difficult to determine from the article/document whether some sort of imminent circumstances law would apply here, to validate the forced removal from and occupation of their homes. There was no local news coverage that I know of that might provide more details as to the situation(whatever the issue was with the neighbor they were after) that caused this action.

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Remington Model 58 barrel question

No it will not. Totally different barrel ring. A barrel can be made from an 870 barrel, all that needs to be done is to drill two gas ports. I would strongly advise getting someone who knows what they are doing to handle it. If you have the tooling and some skills, and an existing barrel to use as a guide for port sizes and angles, it isn't difficult.

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Holster for M&P

Blackhawk SERPA, Safariland, Bianchi-intl.... For the popular Smith and Wesson M&P series, there are a few decent picks for a general use/outdoor holster.
Many gunners & armed professionals like the polymer holsters & rigs from Blackhawk, www.blackhawk.com Safariland, www.Safariland.com , Galco, www.usgalco.com or Bianch-intl; www.bianchi-intl.com .
The Blackhawk SERPA can be adjusted & worn strong or cross-draw. It has a simple retention system that is easy to use. Note; some gun owners have stated the SERPA can jam with mud, snow, dirt, etc. I've owned a M&P left hand SERPA holster with no major problems
Many gun owners & outdoor rec types like the Safariland ALS & SLS holsters. They are secure & can be adjusted for carry angles/belts.

The milspec or military type Bianchi UM92II holster line may meet your needs. It will fit a M&P Full Size .40 or 9x19mm & can be converted to a # of carry methods(SAS-leg, tanker or chest, strong side or cross draw, shoulder, etc). It comes with a flap or a optional thumb break & it fits any size belt up to 2.25" wide. The UM92II is based on the Bianchi Intl M12 holster, the highly respected & tested holster for the US armed forces/M9 9mmNATO.
The Bianchi holsters come in woodland camo, black, tan & 3 color desert camo.
It's handy & a great way to protect your M&P but to be fair, the metal clips of the Bianchi UM84/M12/UM92 line may dig into your side or snag on your clothes.
I used a Bianchi UM84R in the black format as a duty rig for my Ruger GPNY .38spl revolver in the mid-2000s. I'm left handed & worn the holster different ways; strong-side, cross-draw, flap on/flap off. The Bianchi thumb-break did not fit the R or revolver type UM series holster.

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Short-barrel .380 v 9mm

This may have been discussed before, but, hey, why deny you a chance to pontificate?

At bad-breath distance, is there any real advantage in the 9mm over the .380 acp in short barrel autos? Say 3.5" and under? Don't doubt someone can show the greater velocity/energy of the 9mm. But I'm talking about the incapacitation effect. Is there a real Practical advantage in stopping an attacker at arms close distance? Does the extra "umph" necessarily translate to quicker stops?

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$1,190 for a Leupold Mark-4 12-40x60 Tactical Spotting Scope, Front Focal Duplex Mil-

Own the same Mark 4 spotter as used by the US special forces.

The LEUPOLD Mark-4 12-40x60 Tactical Spotting Scope, Duplex Mil-Dot Reticle (67180) utilizes a front focal Duplex Mil-Dot Reticle so the spotter and sniper can estimate range at any power setting. Powerful, with bright, clear optics, it's also supremely rugged and waterproof. It's for all these reasons that the Mark 4 spotting scope is highly prized by hunters and shooters everywhere, as well.

WARNING: ITAR controlled product. Export of this product is strictly prohibited by the U.S. Department of State, in accordance with International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 C.F.R. 120-130).

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There's a new manufacturer in town

An Illinois company has gone from producing specialized parts for caterpillar, Allison, etc. to producing AR-15s. They soon plan to design and produce a semi-auto pistol.

The recession slammed their business so they decided they would go with a proven winner; and with a national sales force made up of anti-firearms activists, with Barack Obama at their head, it was a no-brainer.

The only question I would have is "Why Illinois, of all places?"

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CHICAGO — The road to financial success started in H.J. Mennie's garage in rural Illinois, where the tool and die-maker built a parts manufacturing business selling to Fortune 500 companies from Caterpillar to Cummins.

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H.J.'s children now run Mennie Machine Co., and they're turning to what they believe is the great economic equalizer: producing semiautomatic rifles and handguns to satisfy growing American demand. The factory last week shipped its first orders of the AR-15, among the most popular guns in the nation.

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Slip on grip covers VS a pair of grips

I have used slip on covers (Hogue Handall's), and would suggest getting a pair of grips for your gun. The slip on covers do help with grip, but by their very definition are not securely fixed.

There have also been cases where slip on covers ride up and hit mag release buttons.

I used a slip on over a Kahr CM9 because of the checkering of the backstrap. It made the gun a little fatter, and slightly harder to conceal. I would think the Butler Creek's would do the same.

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Type of primers to use?

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Glock 22 Generation 3 .40 Review/Range Report!

RANGE REPORT

PISTOL: GLOCK 22 GENERATION 3 .40

It is widely known that Glock pistols are one of, if not THE, most reviewed brand of handgun in the world (and for good reason). There are more than a few “Range Reports” and “Reviews” on the numerous Glock models, generations, and calibers and there is virtually nothing more that can be said about Glock that hasn’t been said already. It seems that even the positive opinions (provided by Glock advocates) and negative opinions (provided by Glock’s very few opponents) differ ever so slightly rendering opinions as more of a “universal” analysis than a “difference in opinion”. With that being said, I am giving you my personal “experience” with my newly acquired Glock 22 Generation 3 .40 pistol which doesn’t necessarily reflect others experiences with this pistol, though I’m sure many will find my review/range report quite familiar! This is my first ever Review/Range Report so go easy on me!

I purchased this pistol on June 30th, 2013 from a private seller in my area for $500.00 cash (yes, the cost is a little steep but with Colorado’s new gun laws going into effect on July 1st, 2013 the “value” of firearms saw a significant increase). The Glock 22 Gen 3 is my second Glock purchase, replacing my Glock 22 Gen 2 .40 which I never took to the range (I had the Gen 2 for only a week or so before selling it to purchase the gen 3). My reasoning behind “upgrading” from the Gen 2 to the Gen 3 was that I could achieve a better “purchase” on the weapon with its finger grooves and I like the option of a Picatinny rail for accessories such as lights and lasers. The pistol came with 3 15 round magazines and a case and the gentleman I purchased the pistol from claims to have only placed approximately 400 rounds or so through the pipe. Judging off of the 2 pins above the trigger guard, this particular pistol was manufactured post 2002 and was in near perfect shape with the exception of very little holster wear.

The Glock 22 Generation 3 .40 is a striker fired, safe action pistol which holds 15 rounds with an optional 17 round magazine. The measurements are as follows:

• Overall Length: 7.32 inches
• Barrel Length: 4.5 inches
• Overall Height: 5.43 inches
• Overall Width: 1.18 inches
• Weight (Loaded): 34 ounces
• Sight Radius: 6.5 inches
• Trigger Pull: 5.5 lbs.

After 4 days of chomping at the bit to take the Glock 22 Gen 3 to the range and test her out I cleaned, lubed, and packed it up and visited my local pistol range to give it a go. I purchased 100 rounds of Federal Range/Practice ammunition, 4 targets, threw on my “eyes” and “ears”, loaded up the magazines, and took my place in Lane #6! Based on previous experiences with .40 pistols, I know very well that the .40 cartridge is a “snappy” little round that generally causes quite a bit of “muzzle flip” resulting in decreased accuracy and I expected nothing less out of the Glock 22. I was wrong! My first 15 shots were taken at a distance of 7 yards and I managed to place all 15 shots center mass in a 2 inch grouping. Not too bad for an intermediate shooter with ZERO experience with a Glock 22. I will say, the first 15 rounds through the pipe inflicted slight discomfort in my hands partially due to the recoil and in part due to my grip. After adjusting my grip to a firm, thumbs forward purchase, and another 15 rounds or so down range, I felt as comfortable (if not more) firing this pistol as I have with any other handgun.

During my range session, I practiced at distances of 5, 7, 15 and 25 yards. At the 5 and 7 yard marks, I was dead center in groupings of 2 inches or less. At 15 and 25 yards, I noticed that I was shooting slightly high right to point of aim which may be due to my lack of recoil adjustment (any other ideas or suggestions?) but still managed groupings of less than 5 inches. I practiced slow fire, rapid fire, dominant hand only (right), off hand only (left), and drawing from my hip and was able to put a round on target using each method, every time. Not surprisingly, I experienced absolutely ZERO issues with this pistol, even when I attempted to “limp wrist” or cause the pistol to malfunction in any way. Every time the trigger was pulled, she went “BANG” and eagerly asked for another! I have found my personal defense weapon.

I am curious to hear about anybody else’s experience with this particular pistol and look forward to discussing this with you fine folks! Thank you for reading! Take care…

Brandon

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French M51 Helmet question

Okay, I realize this might seem out place, but I don't have any other forum to turn to and, besides, this is the 'general' section of this forum.
That said, I do apologize if this bugs anybody.

I have two French M51 helmets, both advertised as 'originals'. One from 1954 (stamped inside the top of the helmet) with swivel bales ... and one from 1962 which has fixed bales.
Though there are some differences in the slope and front/back brim, the French M51 looks a lot like the American M1 and those 1962 fixed bales certainly look like the earliest 1942 version of the M1.
So, my particular question is -- knowing that the American helmet switched FROM fixed bales (because they could snap off) to swivel bales -- do you think it's possible that the French M51 helmet began with swivel bales and then (evidently in 1962) tried fixed bales?
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Caliber size wound effects on the human body

The following video was originally produced for a medical conference. It shows a 60 liter bottle (132 pounds) being shot by different calibers.

http://youtu.be/Cz8b3gMwld4

The 9mm produces a small hole which the water leaks out of, however, the jug is not moved. The 357 Magnum seems to have more effect on the jug but not by much. A burst of 9mm fire from an MP5 rips the jug apart. One round from an AK47 makes the jug jump several inches off the ground causing the water to shoot out the hole created. A burst from the AK47 is an impressive display causing the jug to literally explode. The 5.56mm doesnt cause nearly the same effect. The 50 caliber is the most impressive causing the jug to explode and moving it a few feet.

For home defense I would have to say the AK47 is probably the best choice. It is a practical rifle which seemed to have a good effect on the jug. I did notice the difference between the 357 and the 9mm, but the difference was not so great in my opinion. A 3-5 shot burst with +p+ 9mm will really intensify the effect whereas one round does not move the jug.

One might look at this and conclude the 9mm is not an effective round, however, it is much easier to fire off a burst from the 9mm pistol then it is with the 357 revolver. There doesnt appear to be a lot of difference on the jug between the 9mm and 357, but there is a great difference with a burst of fire with hot 9mm.

So if I was going to choose a self defense pistol based on this video I would go with a full sized high capacity 9mm loaded with +p+ rounds and focus on 3 shot bursts in training. In rifle calibers I believe the AK47 is the winner.

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FN Five Seven - Worth the price

I've been watching the availability of 5.7 ammo for the last half year, and unless I buy on the Internet, I cannot get any more than the 5 boxes I got in late December. Here's what I can find right now, and for me, it's too expensive to shoot (as much as I'd like to shoot one).

American Eagle 5.7x28mm 40 Gr. FMJ 50rds (AE5728A) 41 mins ago $0.80/rd [$39.99] [in stock] [LAX Ammo]
FNH-USA 5.7 x 28 mm SS197SR 40 Grain V-Max - a - 50 Rounds per Box 8 hours ago $0.80/rd [$39.97] [in stock] [Ammunition Depot]
500 Rounds Federal Fiocchi 5.7x28 40gr TMJ - Made in USA, AE5728A $0.75/rd [$375.00] [in stock] [Eagle Eye Guns]
5.7x28mm FNH SS197 V-Max 40 Grain 50 Round Box 2034 fps Blue Polymer Tipped Projectile $1.02/rd [$51.19] [in stock] [CheaperThanDirt]
FN 5.7 40 Grain Sporting Round (200 Rounds) $0.95/rd [$189.95] [in stock] [US Armorment]
5.7x28mm 27 Grain JHP Lead Free FNH SS195LF - 50 Rounds $1.80/rd [$89.99] [in stock] [Surplus Ammo]
Federal AE 5.7X28mm 40gr FMJ 50 rounds $0.98/rd [$48.99] [in stock] [Goose Island]

For example, I got my CZ75 earlier this year, and I've shot it thousands of times to date. Lately ball ammo has become available in the low twenty cent per round range. I believe that the lowest price that I've heard of for 5.7 the last six months is $0.44/round, but that's what I've heard - I haven't seen it. I have seen upper fifty cent range, but it was gone before I could have obtained any. Basically, available ammo for the 5.7 is roughly three times as expensive as 9mm, and for me that is too much.

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7mm-08 experience?

Today, 03:26 AM Recoil energy from a 243 is about 9lbs, for a standard factory load, while the 7-08 develops about 12 lbs. There are two ways of looking at this: It's only 3lbs more recoil, or it has 33% more recoil.

The bottom line is that each shooter perceives recoil differently, such that an ill-fitting 7-08 and it's 12 pounds of recoil just might be enough to bother a young, inexperienced rifleman. Certainly anyone who has fired a lot of centerfire ammo won't be concerned by such a small difference. The two main things to do are making sure the stock fits well, with a good quality recoil pad, and then work them up to the more powerful loads with a 223 or other light-kicking rifle.

Today, 03:29 AM Recoil energy from a 243 is about 9lbs, for a standard factory load, while the 7-08 develops about 12 lbs. There are two ways of looking at this: It's only 3lbs more recoil, or it has 33% more recoil.

The bottom line is that each shooter perceives recoil differently, such that an ill-fitting 7-08 and it's 12 pounds of recoil just might be enough to bother a young, inexperienced rifleman. Certainly anyone who has fired a lot of centerfire ammo won't be concerned by such a small difference. The two main things to do are making sure the stock fits well, with a good quality recoil pad, and then work them up to the more powerful loads with a 223 or other light-kicking rifle.

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A question of scope.

Neither is a high-quality optic; having said that, either one may very well give you good service for your particular uses. When I choose between inexpensive scopes, I usually choose the one that seems clearest/brightest to my eye and go with it. I recently chose a Bushnell Sportview 3-9x40 a rifle I bought had on it over a Simmons based on that criterion, and so far, so good.

As for accuracy of adjustment and durability, those factors are always a crapshoot with inexpensive scopes -- the scope may hold zero and last forever, or be a goner after a half-dozen rounds.

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SVT40 vs. SKS45

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