.412 swage dies for the 405 Win???

Hi
Getting a 405 Winchester made up on a Eddystone action that was 303/25,not much in the way of bullets,like jacketed,will be getting a few bullet moulds for it,but is there anyone out there making .412 bullets out of scrap brass and making their own???

Would have to be around 300-350gr in weight or even more.
What case would you use?

Btsniper,do you make swaging dies for this cal?
Just getting a feeler out there,will go from there by the replies,otherwise I'll get moulds to cast bullets.

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no34570

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Richard Corbin has a 5 die set to swage a 0.411 flat base bullet. Open tip, lead tip and dual diameter tip for use with copper tubing jackets or drawn jackets. $594. If you use a Walnut Hill press you're in business.

Bob

PS He says they are "in stock & ond sale today". Take that with a grain of salt. I ordered a lead extrusion die set "in stock and on sale today" exactly 2 mos ago and havn't got them yet. Richard says he still has to take the dies off the shelf to clean and test them before he ships. The Obummer scare and an illness in the family have not allowed him to catch up.

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Midnight
Thanks for that,will have a look,but still would like to know if BT does them or would

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no34570

"I'll tell you what rule we applied sir,We applied rule 3-0-3, We caught them and we shot them, under rule 3-0-3." :Lt Harry " Breaker" Morant at his court martial in January 1902.

"God,Gun's & Gut's made Australia free,let's fight to keep all three."

I certainly could. Anything is possible. I would have to have a reamer cut then it's just a matter of time to get the die completed.

I have made 416 bullets over 300 grains using 40 S&W brass before.

matter of fact, you could simply use a set of CH .410 cal dies and lap them up just a little. that is what I did with the 416

BT

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Can Swage Dies be Made with a Small Lathe

Yes, but there will be a learning curve to overcome.
I have done it on a 7X14 lathe, but it took more than 2 tries to get it right.
I have a bench top mill in my shop, so that helps.

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whats it take to swage a paper patched bullet?

I am curious what it takes to swage a bullet from soft or low ration tin/lead alloy? I am getting into BPCR shooting and trying to be as traditional as possible. I am a tool and die maker so I have some background. I would like to make a bullet with a postell style nose .442 dia to be patched to .449-.450 dia. In the wieght range of 530 grains to 550 grains.
I have an lyman oarnge crusher press that could be dedicated to this project. Dies needed, number of steps to finished bullet, core molds or wire, ect ect. I have read very little about this but am interested in it for several reasons. The main one is I have Multiple Schlrocis and casting with the heavy metals seems to aggrivate it. Another reason (I think) is that these bullets may be more consistent than cast bullets? ?????? I just dont know enough to make an informed deccision here.
Again Thanks for all the help and information.
Oh these bullets will be used in a pendersoli Sharps in 45-70 and a C sharps arms Hepburn in 45-90 so one bullet should do duty in both nicely. Im only seating into the case .157 with the loads using BACO swaged 500 grn .442 dia pure lead bullets. with good accuracy . Another reason Im looking to make an informed decission on swaging.

Be sure to check in on the Black Powder Paper Patching section -- if you want to be really traditional, you'd probably be casting your cores and sizing to final dimension before wrapping the patches, as opposed to swaging, though commercial paper patch ammunition most likely did use swaged bullets by 1890 or so (maybe earlier). Casting is certainly a simpler, minimum-operations method (compared to casting cores for swaging) of getting to maximum accuracy with paper patched bullets, and casting is capable of delivering all the accuracy you can use (long range BPCR competition shooters shoot paper patched cast, almost exlusively).

If casting seems to aggravate your MS symptoms, you should check with your physician to see if you can determine which of many substances involved might cause this; generally, casting with reasonable care won't expose you to enough lead to worry about (many long time casters have body lead levels below average), but chemicals in flux smoke, cleaners and lubricants used on the molds, etc. are much more volatile and easily absorbed.

Country Gent: Check with Richard Corbin. He has a swaging die set to make a 0.442 paper patch bullet with a "Money Bullet" nose profile and a cup base for $185 on clearance. To use it you'll have to get the Walnut Hill press for $449. I have both the press and the dies and it makes a beautiful bullet. I use 0.385 wire that you can get from Richard too. It can be adjusted to make any weight desired within reason.

Bob

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Dillon super swage 600

How did the LC cases resize?

Dillon 600 - make sure the spud is adjusted to the right length for each different brand/size of shell. When you operate the press - when you swage - I don't make it a 'strength' contest. And I really like using my RCBS chamfer tool to take swipe at the last of the crimp.

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Think this would make a decent swage press...???

The RCBS Ammomaster 2.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/670552/rcbs-ammomaster-2-single-stage-press

It looks pretty darn beefy and has quite a long handle for good leverage. I am a noob so any advice is appreciated.

I will be swaging 22 cals, 244 cal, 40, 45, and 50 in the near future. Most likely with BTs dies.

Thanks in advance!

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the BB knows

Looks like it might do the trick. Might even be able to make adjustable uprights for the die plate for precise adjustment.

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Should be alright as long as you can get your finger in and around the posts. THe smaller calibre projectile can be a bit fiddly compared to a cartridge case.

Did you see the new Summit press from RCBS?...that's a lotta ram http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/01/new-rcbs-summit-single-stage-press/

It's hard to go past a modified Lee Classic Cast. Price is very good and quality is about as good as it gets.

I think the ammo master has the potential to make a great swage press. Here is a pic of one set up for a customer of mine. I like the 7/8-14 threaded ram. Easy to addapt for threaded base punches and hook auto ejection sytems to.

I little more expensive then my favored Lee Classic Cast presses and approaching the cost of a RCE Sea Girt press but I like the potential of the RCBS ammo master over the SG because of the less distance between the ram and the top support of the press at top of the stroke and how you don't have to reach to your toes to get to top of stroke like on the RCE. The RCE may be stronger but I think judging from the pics the RCBS ammo master certainly has potential too, especially if you could find one used at a bargin.

BT

When I first saw the summit I thought it was a little cheapo thing. But it's big! An auto eject could be bolted to the bench and easyer to build, therefore less expensive that BT's current model autoeject.

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if I were thinking about dropping that kind of coin on a press Personally I would be getting a SeaGirt or Walnut hill You will never regret it. I am not going to make a penny of of you and Honestly there is no comparing a real swage press and a make do reloading press.

if I were thinking about dropping that kind of coin on a press Personally I would be getting a SeaGirt or Walnut hill You will never regret it. I am not going to make a penny of of you and Honestly there is no comparing a real swage press and a make do reloading press.This is the truth. I have used BT's dies in both an RCBS rockchucker and the walnut hill from RCE. NO COMPARISON. There is something to be said for using the tool as it is intended.

You'll find, most guys modify their reloading press to get them to work. A lot of time they break. They work for some guys, just not me.

Pay for it once, you won't regret it. BTW, BT makes his dies of he Walnut Hill as well. I own his 40-44 dies and the 40-45 on order now.

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