The .223 and the 225646 DC bullet for hunting....

Boolit Mold Join DateMay 2013Posts6

I took a 275 pound 8 point that was devistating my apple trees with a 55 gr out of a 22-250 w 1 shot that took out both lungs, and i know that the man, now deceased, who wrote life in the eveglades book killed the first ever game warden that was sent to the everglades with 1 shot from a 22 mag lever gun. 22 caliber is deadly imo

Boolit Master Join DateJan 2007Posts650

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I'd not risk .223 cast on deer. FPE aside, I've dressed too many deer with 22 caliber bullets lodged in ribs, shoulders, spine, etc... Plenty were the right shot with the wrong bullet. IF I was hunting deer with .223 it be with either 75gr barnes or maybe the 90gr Sierra and as close to max as I could get without loosing decent accuracy. Read the .243 cast deer hunting thread, folks are iffy about that. The best thing .223 has going for it is velocity. Personally I like .30's, cast or jacketed and handguns 45, is all I really consider.

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Boolit Master Join DateJan 2007Posts650

many comments here are in conflict with many on THIS threadI am ONLY responsible for what I Say!
I am NOT responsible for what You THINK I Said!

Boolit Master Join DateJan 2007Posts650

I'd not risk .223 cast on deer. FPE aside, I've dressed too many deer with 22 caliber bullets lodged in ribs, shoulders, spine, etc... Plenty were the right shot with the wrong bullet. IF I was hunting deer with .223 it be with either 75gr barnes or maybe the 90gr Sierra and as close to max as I could get without loosing decent accuracy. Read the .243 cast deer hunting thread, folks are iffy about that. The best thing .223 has going for it is velocity. Personally I like .30's, cast or jacketed and handguns 45, is all I really consider.I've scrubbed this whole idea of hunting with cast bullets in the .223 due to a number of factors, not the least of which was when I was able to calculate what my momentum values might be, they were as follows
grains 55
speed 2200
KE 590.964591
Momentum 0.537240537
momentum_1 5.372405372

Actually it has been my experience that a223 is no where near the killer that the 222 is. I contribute that to the lower velocity of the triple duece which allows the bullet to hold together for far more penetration. I must say that my experience in either caliber has only been with conventional jacketed bullets.
I have taken two grown red stags with the 222 in Oz using factory Remington ammo with great effect. Two stags, two shots ,both tight behind the shoulder through the lungs. Both bullets were recovered under the hide on the off side looking like little nosler adverts.
Hit ribs in and out on both to no matter,neither stag went 20 yards. I was freekn impressed to say the least. Would I have used it if I had a good 06 on hand? Well hell no,, but it was what the bloke handed me so we made it work.

When you have God in your life and a gun in your hand you are a force for good to be reckoned with.

When in doubt just say thanks.

Boolit Master Join DateJan 2007Posts650

The gentleman that I went hunting with has taken a number of goats and a couple of sheep with the .223 and gave me some bullets that he used in his harvests... Jim Burnworth of Western Extreme has taken the 22-250 himself and came to Lanai on a sheep hunt and nailed a fairly nice mouflon with his 22-250 to which he seems to gravitating towards on the basis of the "challenge".

If I was into "reloading" I might actually try to load this for hunting except I'm a muzzleloader hunter and like my .410's, my .451's and love my 58's.. I'm just getting into flintlock .54s of which I now have two, but big bullets have no equal.. ... in my humble opinion....

I am sure that you are familiar with Loni and Bill on the kapapala are you not? And the Galimba's. Kenny Miranda or Freddy Rice. I know that a lot of hunters on the BI have issues with ranchers, how are the current working conditions? I have hunted a lot there with gun and bow. Once I even sunk into the middle of a herd of wild pipi and punched a cows ticker with my recurve. Probably as exciting an event as I have ever had hunting and I have been in the thick of it many times.

When you have God in your life and a gun in your hand you are a force for good to be reckoned with.

When in doubt just say thanks.

Boolit Master Join DateAug 2009Posts726

Actually it has been my experience that a223 is no where near the killer that the 222 is. I contribute that to the lower velocity of the triple duece which allows the bullet to hold together for far more penetration. I must say that my experience in either caliber has only been with conventional jacketed bullets.
I have taken two grown red stags with the 222 in Oz using factory Remington ammo with great effect. Two stags, two shots ,both tight behind the shoulder through the lungs. Both bullets were recovered under the hide on the off side looking like little nosler adverts.
Hit ribs in and out on both to no matter,neither stag went 20 yards. I was freekn impressed to say the least. Would I have used it if I had a good 06 on hand? Well hell no,, but it was what the bloke handed me so we made it work.I guess all you have to do when you hunt with a .223 then is shoot the game twenty yards farther out than you do with your .222. Then it will have the same mojo.

Twenty yards.. hmm I will just have to take your word for it then, seems like a lot of fps diff to bleed off that fast but if you say so. What I do know is that I shot one stag at about 30 steps, and one at about 150 and got the same perf on both. Have not had the same experience with bullets hanging together like that in the 223. Your milage may vary obviously

When you have God in your life and a gun in your hand you are a force for good to be reckoned with.

When in doubt just say thanks.

Boolit Bub Join DateAug 2012Locationnortheast ohioPosts31

Twenty yards.. hmm I will just have to take your word for it then, seems like a lot of fps diff to bleed off that fast but if you say so. What I do know is that I shot one stag at about 30 steps, and one at about 150 and got the same perf on both. Have not had the same experience with bullets hanging together like that in the 223. Your milage may vary obviously300S in regards to the 222 versus 223 commint it seems to me you were using nosler partitions is that correct ?? the reason I ask is that I have used the partition on more then a few occasions with my 223, but never shot a 222. I do not recall every having one fail, but I sure as hell have not seen everything in this world and do not in anyway claim to be an expert.

now based on my little knowledge I would think that if someone got the correct lead mixture, that a 224 size bullet would behave very similar to larger cast bullet, and mushroom out without losing much weight. you have no jacket controlling expansion , but that can be both good and bad.

I know you were not the one asking but I kinda just kept babbling on sorry.

No worries, actually they were just common cup and core bullets which is what really impressed me. I know that there is only approx 200 or so fps diff between the two calibers but I have yet to recover a bullet in that shape from any critter shot with a 223. Just fragments of jacket and core. I have to admit tho I have never shot partitions or Barnes or any other super premium bullets in these varmint calibers. And all of the larger game I have shot with a 22 cal have been in situations like mentioned. I have never went after anything but hogs deliberately with a varmint cal, except vermin of course.

When you have God in your life and a gun in your hand you are a force for good to be reckoned with.

When in doubt just say thanks.

I knew Gordon well , good man. Lani and BilI are good folks also. I have hunted the kapapala many times shot a great mouflon there. And yes those are the galimbas I am talking about.

When you have God in your life and a gun in your hand you are a force for good to be reckoned with.

When in doubt just say thanks.

Boolit Master Join DateJan 2007Posts650

I knew Gordon well , good man. Lani and BilI are good folks also. I have hunted the kapapala many times shot a great mouflon there. And yes those are the galimbas I am talking about.I've hunted birds lower down on the ranch before and didn't get a chance to actually head up towards Ainapo till a couple of weeks ago... lovely lovely country up there.. looking forward to more hunts there now... being that the only place pretty much of state land that actually has game on it...

Kau is a special place on the Island for its lifestyle... Hope it is slow to change...

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