Decent AR-15 carry handle?

You can find genuine milspec carry handles used for $50 and under. Lots of folks are pulling them off and replacing them. But you should find out if your front sight is flat top height (milspec, like Colt, DD, BCM, PSA, Spikes, LMT, Noveske, etc.) or A2 height (commercial, like Bushmaster, DPMS, ArmaLite, Oly, etc.)

Those commercial height brands sell shorter carry handles that will zero with their shorter front sight. The difference is only .04" but if you look close you can tell the difference in a picture.

As far as being sure the used CH is US made, look for common forge marks like Anchor Harvey, Cerro Forge, Cardinal Forge and others. A little googling will get you up to speed quick. I bought a couple milspec CHs off eBay for $35 each and free shipping. Just mentioned that to show that occasionally you'll find one someone wants to get rid of. I was the only one that bid because most people want a flip up instead. (Which brings up the point, why not just get a Magpul MBUS2 for $50!)

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Handle Question

Will Lachmiller handles fit RCBS moulds ??

I`m talkin 2 or # cavity.

Yes I saw the stiky ,but was confused by the Penguin era of Lachmiller??

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Mot robust SxS 12ga? (i.e. can handle highest pressure loads)

believe it or not, a 12-yr old shooter with a fascination for SxS's asked me this:

What double barrel side-by-side can handle the biggest "boomer" loads?

After discussing it with him a little, we determined he meant an action that can handle high(er) pressure loads. I told him about info from hubel458's 12gaFH thread that the Savage bolt-action can handle to 35000psi and that the TC/NEF single shots to 25000 psi, and that a H&R/Rossi with a custom barrel (of 1.5" diameter) can handle abt the same. But he wants a strong SxS (not over under).

Do any exist? I suppose some info on the strength of commercially available guns would help us here.

preferably not an English "Bore" gun that costs $20000, please!

Thanks,
C-

C

My gut tells me it is not the action that will fail but the barrels. Baikal marketed a 45/70 double rifle that looked like their 12 gauge SxS and I think it was rated at 32,000 psi. 12 ga barrels on these guns are not thick to keep weight down.

That must be some 12 YO. I cannot imagine enjoying shooting anything bigger than a 3" mag out of any SxS's I have ever fired. LOL

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There are shotgun actions that can handle double rifle pressures,
but they need heavy barrels put on them whether shotgun like
the 12ga FH or big bore rifles. In the 12ga FH thread are pics of Rob
puttin heavy 12ga FH barrels on a heavy 10ga frame. Have your
youngster look at that.Ed

Custom 12ga Heavy barrels on a 10ga frame??? Now there's an idea!
Will any frame do? or are some brands better than others?
C-

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Rob is using a Zabala 10ga alloy frame and monoblocking in
12ga barrels into the barrel stubs of the cut off 10ga barrels.
Cut off even with end of pivot. That is how most factories
in mass production make them now. Many other brands of
doubles made in Spain and Italy will do as long as modern
steel alloy.Ed

I guesstimate that 12/89 means 12ga, 3.5-inch? How can i order one in the USA? My parents are going to Italy next year, but importing this shotgun is probably not what they had in mind!
I am of Italian ancestry, but my spoken Italian is poor.
Can i get a translation?

it looks AWESOME!!!

UNIVERSAL EXPRESS SHOTGUNS

Mod. "M.R. 728 UNIVERSAL EXPRESS SHOTGUNS"
OLTRE IL PARADAX
Doppietta express CAL. 12/89. -728.M.R.
UN FUCILE CHE VI PERMETTE DI CACCIARE DALL'ALLODOLA ALL' ELEFANTE
PROGETTO DALL'ALLODOLA ALL'ELEFANTE.(COME IL TITOLO DEL LIBRO DI PONCE DE LEON ADELIO) In un ipotetico viaggio di caccia attorno al mondo in OTTANTA ANIMALI , partendo dal mio Piemonte a caccia di lepri, anatre, cinghiali ecc.., poi con un trasferimento nel' Europa dell'est dal mio amico Fulvio a caccia di oche, anatre caprioli e orsi, e poi in Africa a leopardi, leoni, fococeri, antilopi, bufali e ancora volare prima in argentina per cacciare i grossi cinghiali e gli acquatici e un altro volo negli U.S.A. per il tacchino selvatico e il cervo mulo, per poi far rientro in Italia per il passaggio di allodole e beccacce, non potendo portare con me dieci armi diverse, ma portandone una sola quale avrei scelto? In passato ditte famose come Holland & Holland, Manufrance, Westey Richards, Jeffery,ecc.. hanno cercato di risolvere il problema e in parte ci sono riuscite. In Francia la MANUFRANCE fece canne lisce rigate denominate "SUPRA" per stabilizzare le palle e allargare le rosate, queste canne oggi vengono costruite a Gardone dove molti costruttori le montano denominandole Paradox, con un evidente errore, perch? il "PARADOX" nato in HOLLAND & HOLLAND, inventato dal Colonnello Fosbery, pur avendo la stessa funzione riguarda un tratto di rigatura che comprende solo la parte della strozzatura. Per avere sufficiente energia per gli animali pi? grossi si usavano i calibri 8, potenti ma pesanti e con un forte rinculo.I calibri 8 vennero abbandonati a favore degli express con il passaggio alla polvere nitro, pi? leggeri e di eguale potenza. Con il PARADOX della Holland & Holland, che come diceva la stessa casa costrutrice, si poteva cacciare dal beccaccino alla tigre. L'ottimo progetto Paradox di Holland & Holland, aveva due limiti, la cartuccia a palla sviluppava prestazioni pi?ttosto basse in cal. 12, simili alle attuali slug. Per questo facevano calibri superiori come il cal. 10 e il cal.8. In oltre la parte rigata della canna era fissa e questo non permetteva tiri lunghi a pallini, ma si comportava come una canna cilindrica. Oggi anche le canna lisce si sono evolute e con il 12/89 si ha un fucile leggero come un cal. 12 con le prestazioni di potenza di un cal.8, e con cariche di pallini che vanno dai 24 grammi ai 70, varie palle anche esse con pesi e forma vari dalle sferiche, alle Brenneke, alle slug, alle Souvestre (ricordo che Pierre Caravati in Selous Tanzania ha gi? abbattuto bufali con una souvestre 12 Magnum). Con gli strozzatori intercambiabili, possiamo avere canne cilindriche, strozzate in vari gradi,e con quelli rigati avere il PARADOX. Con un bossolo in ottone 12/89 negli USA si sta facendo il 700 From Hell, io tempo fa feci lo stesso creando il cal. 728 M.R. per il revolver pi? grande del mondo "CUCCIOLO" ora con questa serie di fucili, sovrapposti e doppiette con varie lunghezze di canna in grado di sparare qualunque cartuccia cal. 12, 12 Magnum, 12 Supermagnum e .728 M.R. eliminando i limiti del paradox di Holland & Holland NASCE IL FUCILE CHE PUO' ABBATTERE TUTTO DALL'ALLODOLA ALL'ELEFANTE.

C-

The weight is listed as 3.2 kg! That's a tad over seven pounds... No way I'd be firing 3-1/2" shells in that one.

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C- if you get google translator, you will get it done in a few seconds, as it would take me half hour to do a good job. It can be made with rifled barrels or smooth ones. It can use brass hulls and become a "700 from hell". If you write then, i am sure they will tell you how you can get one in texas.

Cap'n Morgan- yes it is 3.5 inch. Such shells are loaded with very progressive powders, and often the recoil is less then a 3 ". Perceived recoil also depends on the body mass of the shooter.

Good morning
Savage Fox B. Or the 311. They were made heavy. Yes they would blow apart. But tell that young shooter to do his testing sitting behind cross sticks or standing with just a thin shirt on and he will not blow up a double Savage.
Origonal Fox barrels are just as thick but far more costly. I see average, no finish 311's for sale for $150 at shows and sales. Mine will handle caliber.685 RB at 1550 all day long. That is more than the 150 year ago elephant hunters used. If he needs more than that go to a bolt gun.
Mike in Peru

Springfield, Stevens and some store brands are the same beast. Just more plain.

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Impacted while hot small lava bomb Projectile found out in the desert.

If he wants to go the route of serious barrels, I have a nice golf caddy I don't use that would look nice attached to a double gun!

Here we go:

A RIFLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HUNT DALL'ALLODOLA 'ELEPHANT
PROJECT DALL'ALLODOLA elephant. (AS THE TITLE OF THE BOOK OF PONCE DE LEON ADELIO) In a hypothetical hunting trip around the world in EIGHTY ANIMALS, starting from my Piedmont hunting for hares, ducks, wild boar, etc. .., then with a transfer in the 'Eastern Europe by my friend Fulvio hunting of geese, ducks, deer and bears, and then in Africa leopards, lions, fococeri, antelope, buffalo and still fly the first in Argentina to hunt large wild boars and water and another flight in the U.S. for the wild turkey and mule deer, and then to return to Italy for the passage of larks and woodcock, not able to take me ten different weapons, but carrying one which I would have chosen? In the past, famous companies such as Holland & Holland, Manufrance, Westey Richards, Jeffery, etc. .. have tried to solve the problem in hand, we have succeeded. In France, the MANUFRANCE made smooth barrels rifled called "SUPRA" to stabilize and expand the pink balls, these rods are now made in Gardone where many manufacturers Paradox calling them the mountain, with an obvious error, because the "PARADOX" born in HOLLAND & HOLLAND, invented by Colonel Fosbery, while having the same function relates to a stretch of rifling which includes only the part of the bottleneck. In order to have enough energy for the larger animals were used 8 gauges, powerful but heavy and with a strong rinculo.I 8 gauges were abandoned in favor of express with the transition to the nitro powder, lighter and the same power. With the PARADOX of Holland & Holland, as expressed in the same house costrutrice, you could snipe hunt by the tiger. The excellent project Paradox of Holland & Holland, had two limits, the cartridge ball developed performance rather low in cal. 12, similar to the current slug. For this caliber were higher as the cal. 10 and the cal.8. In addition the rifled barrel was fixed and this did not allow long shots with buckshot, but acted as a cylindrical barrel. Today, even the smooth barrel and have evolved with the 12/89 you have a gun as light as a cal. 12 with the power performance of a cal.8, and loaded with bullets ranging from 24 grams to 70, various balls with weights and they also form different from spherical to Brenneke, the slug, the Souvestre (remember Pierre Caravati Selous in Tanzania has already shot down a buffalo with Souvestre 12 Magnum). With interchangeable, we can have cylindrical barrels, choked in varying degrees, and with the stripes have the PARADOX. With a brass cartridge case 12/89 in the U.S. is doing 700 From Hell, I recently did the same by creating the cal. 728 M.R. for the revolver world's largest "PUPPY" now with this series of rifles, shotguns and overlapping with various barrel lengths capable of firing any cartridge cal. 12, 12 Magnum, 12 Supermagnum and .728 M.R. eliminating the limits of the paradox of Holland & Holland BORN THE GUN THAT CAN 'KILL ALL DALL'ALLODOLA elephant.

A 12 gauge, smooth or rifled, will smoke anything on earth. No need for the exotic.

"Had his shooting been as good as his running, he might have given a better account of himself."
James. C. Henderson

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You don't suppose we FH nuts have started something. Ed

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Hollywood handle

OK TEAM HOLLYWOOD, for your approval got the handle installed on the universal today. Pick it up at a tool shop in town that resales old tools.It's not exactly the same as the original Hollywood handle but looks fairly good for the price. Here's the pic.

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Not bad. Looks very similar to my original. I love my old massive turret press. Lets me keep several dies set up that don't require a lot of leverage to use.

I see that you have the 4-way priming post fixture on your press. I have all the posts, but never came across one of fixtures.

Steve

Hey that turned out great Gearhead!

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That a great looking handle. I have an older Hollywood senior with a broken handle . I bought that way. It's broken at the whole that the rod goes through. Do you have the actual length of an original handle and the placement of the whole where the rod slides in.
This would be helpful in making a new one
Sal

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That a great looking handle. I have an older Hollywood senior with a broken handle . I bought that way. It's broken at the whole that the rod goes through. Do you have the actual length of an original handle and the placement of the whole where the rod slides in.
This would be helpful in making a new one
SalMy original (I'm fairly certain) handle is exactly 15 inches long. That's overall, with the handle out of the press.

And my press MAY become Gearhead1s press...

Salpal's press is a Senior, which is a single stage, unlike your Turret Tool. The Senior handle is all Steel like the Turret Tool, but with a hole at one end for either a through rod to hold it or a bolt, depending upon the model. From Sal's description, it is the through rod.
The handles are also longer on the Seniors than the Turret Tools. I was surprised one time when I compared the measurement of just under 20" to my Turret Tool of 15 " as well.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Senior .........................Turret Tool

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Sal - as you know, installing the handle and removing can be a real PIA on the Seniors. Rather than have someone remove and measure, here is the easy way.

As I mentioned above, the handle is just shy of 20" in length. As far as where to put the hole, just look at the horizontal ram on the press and measure the radius. That is your measurement from the end, if you want it flush. If you want a bit of over hang for more power on the horizontal ram (if there is room) add a bit .

Good Luck

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I will send pics. when i remove it from the press.

Would you consider selling the set of posts. They would go on the press and not for sale on the big E.

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If there is anyone looking for Original style hollywood shell holders or priming posts There is a gentleman in Myrtle Point Oregon . I purchased several. 50/70 , 43 spanish , 500 nitro, 11mm mauser.His price for the shell holders are $25.00 with shipping. There all custom made and can be done in any caliber. I found there well made and very heavy . If any one need photo I try to post them. He also make posts to length , adaptor . and conversions to modern equipment. Just a good product and someone who knows old tools. You can E- mail him directly . His name is Gerald Schwartz
elysianfield@outlook.com
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Here are the two handles off my Hollywood presses. The first three are off the universal three press and the second four are off the senior 4x8 turret press. Hope this help's . God Bless

Hi Lubedude, On your universal three press is that a shot gun crimping die?

For those who have the wooden handles: Have you found a need to wear a glove when using the press alot? I know I did.

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For those who have the wooden handles: Have you found a need to wear a glove when using the press alot? I know I did.Howdy Kevin,

On my Model 3 with a Wooden handle, I mainly load big bore pistol and 45-70. I don't recall loading more than 50 qty 45-70 in one setting, including full length sizing. I had no problems with the wood. The only problem I had, is that my bench sets up a little high; so I could use a longer handle for more leverage. I'll probably call Inline Fabrication at some point to rectify that situation.

I could see a problem for you if you are full length sizing your 308 and 06.

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Hi Lubedude, On your universal three press is that a shot gun crimping die?Howdy Gearhead,

Second attempt, my first response disappeared somewhere.

There is a full set of 3 shotshell dies, but you can only see 2 of them in the photo. I assume you are referring to the real tall die?

That is the Multi-Tool. it deprimes, and works in conjunction with the tool connected beneath it, called the combination Sizer and Wad Seater. It sounds more complicated than it is. However it was a bit of a challenge fiquring it out without directions.

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Broken sprue handle on Lee 6 banger

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sprue cutter handle falls off

Boolit Bub Join DateMay 2012LocationWestlake Village, CAPosts30

Hi,
On my Lee 6 cavity. Should I glue it? Tried wedging, wood very cheap and soft. V. annoying. Any suggestions appreciated.
Cheers,
C.

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Mine is doing the same thing. I took a small hammer and smacked it on the tail end to drive the handle on further to hope it would hold in place, but I thin I am going to drill a small hole close to the metal ring and place a machine screw thru it so it dosen't slip off any more.

I had a wood grip slipping on one of my Lee 2 cavity moulds. I took it off and smeared some JB Weld on it and it never moved again.

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yep glue it.
the jb weld works, as does that putty you break a piece off and mash it around.
they help fill in the sloppy too so the handles don't wiggle around.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

Silicone caulk does a good job as well. I'm at the point that I pull the handles and caulk them back on before I use them the first time.

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Can someone explain mold handle compatibility?

What handles fit what molds? Is there a simple way to remember. I have all lyman/ideal molds. Which ones take small or large? What about RCBS,Saeco, customs etc.

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lyman single cavity handle

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i have some mold handle i am not useing what would be a good price to sell them for?

i'll give you $25 shipped for them

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