M1 Carbine - Sighting-In Problem

Hello, all.

My good friend recently inherited his late-father-in-law's M1 Carbine. The rifle is in mint condition--the bluing is nigh-perfect and the wood stock has nary a ding or dent in it. It looks, for all intents and purposes, brand new and unfired.

Now the problem:

The rifle is extremely accurate. At 50 yards, properly benched, it will hold sub-3" groups using either his handloads or 110 gr. S&B ammo. However, the groups are a full 24" above the point of aim, despite the the rear sight being adjusted to its lowest position:

The front sight post is apparently not adjustable for elevation:

Any suggestions as to what might be going on, and how we can fix the problem?

Thanks!

(BTW, the red dust is just lint from the gun sock.)

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.44 magnum on a m1 carbine frame?

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From the Oct 1963 Shotgun News:

The Bay of Pigs occurred over a span of time in 1959 & 1960:

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Hornady .30 Carbine

Gunners,

Just saw this month Rifleman inside cover Hornady now makes critical defense ammo for .30 Carbine.

Wonder if this would significantly improve the little carbine's effectiveness on whitetail?

Rmocarsky

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Reloading 30 cal M-1 carbine????

I've reloaded thousands upon thousands of 30 caliber carbine.

As others have stated lube the cases no matter what kind of dies you have. it is not a straight walled case but a tapered case. Lubing will make your life so much easier.

Also check the case OAL every time after resizing and trim if necessary, I normally need to trim every 2nd or 3rd reload.

I cast my on bullets for mine using a Lee mould #90301, this gives me a round nose bullet at 100 grains. I size the bullet to .310. This bullet/mould is originally designed for the 32/20, 32 S&W Long & the 32 Colt, but works extremely well in my carbine.

Powder charge is 12 I/2 grains of 4227 which cycles the action well and gives superior accuracy.

Hope this helps,

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Best mold for 30cal M1 Carbine

Getting an Inland (General Motors) M1 carbine for fathers day. What is the best mold that will cycle well through the 15 and 30 round mags and shoot well of corse?

Boolit Buddy Join DateSep 2011LocationWellington, NVPosts70

Doing a short run of carbine now in my Dillon 550. I cast Lyman 311359BV, gas checked. Mold came from Midway. I like the design more than GI ball round nose as this cast boolit is more pointed, seams to fly better. I'm shooting these in 2 Winchester M1 carbines, and I notice they shoot groups about half the size GI ball does in the same guns. Still not much, about 3" @ 100 yards, but GI ball does 6". Mold is listed as a 115gr. but a dressed round, lubed with a gas check, weighs in around 122 gr. I load 12 gr. of 2400 and it goes through the chrony @1875 fps. I size .309 and lube, seat the gas check in a old lyman #45. No signs of leading yet in the barrel or gas system. Only down side to these is my steel targets get wholes punched through them with this boolit, where GI ball just left a splatter mark, carbine AP I guess.
Chris

The 311359, as mentioned, is excellent as is the RCBS and Lee 115 - 120 gr GC'd RB cast bullets

Larry Gibson

I use the 311359 from Lyman, shoots great with AA9.

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The Lee C309-120-R works great for me in three M1 carbines.

I have used all molds mentioned above and they work great.
I recently bought the 4 cavity NOE 311 115 GC.
I like it better than any of the above.
I size .309, use NRA 50/50 lube, and a 50/50 Lino/COWW alloy.
Zero leading at 1900 FPS with WC820N.....dale

Boolit Bub Join DateSep 2012LocationN. Central IllinoisPosts41

I have been using a Lee C309-113-F. Size to. 309, gas checked. Tight groups at 50 yds. Approx. Lyman#2 alloy with either H110 or N110 from an Underwood.

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I use a Lee cast bullet 311-100-2R, flat base in front of 12 to 14 "depending on how I load at any one time" of IMR 4227. Excellent accuracy, mild recoil, and NO LEADING.

This mould is made for 32/20, 32 S&W Long, & 32 Colt. I size them to 310.

I bought the Lee C309-120 R boolit for use in the 30 Carbine and it was worked well. However, I tried to run them through my dad's Blackhawk and had issues. The profile of the boolit has a slight shoulder which hangs up in the throats. I can seat them deeper but I was already dealing with a slightly compressed load with 4227.

My dad also has a SAECO 321 which is a PB RN boolit that weighs about 100 grains when cast from WW. I cast a few of these and powder coated them. I have yet to test them in the carbine but they pass the plunk test in the Blackhawk. The Lee mold is fine but I'm glad I get to try the PB SAECO mold with powder coated boolits. I'll provide a range report when I finally test them.

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I have three NOE molds for my pistols and enjoy casting with them more than any of the other molds I have. How many cavities are you guys running in your NOE molds?

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Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt"

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Carbine Vs Mid Lenght Gas System...

The military M4 design is a carbine-length gas system with a 14.5" barrel. The civilian version keeps the same gas system length but extends the barrel to 16", adding 1 and 1/2 inches of dwell time and therefore more gas pressure. Most 16" barreled, carbine-length gas system AR-15s are over-gassed; at best an over-gassed rifle will have a sharper recoil and will violently throw brass. At worst, an over-gassed AR will attempt to extract the fired case while the bullet is still in the barrel and the case will be ripped from the chamber while it's still expanded against the chamber walls. This can cause everything from a little flash out of the ejection port to chewed-up brass and failures to extract.

A heavier buffer will fix the problems caused by an over-gassed carbine-length 16" barreled rifle, but a mid-length barrel lowers gas pressure and minimizes those problems to begin with. In my opinion, a mid-length gas system is a superior design for a 16" barrel 5.56 AR than a carbine-length system.

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Need help identifying an old ruger carbine?

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Sharps carbine

Just starting my rifle collection.. Two trapdoors. One of which is a completed Saddle Ring Carbine, the other of which needs the barrel cut down to be complete.

There is a Rossi M92 in .45 LC and a Henry Big Boy in .357.

Now I am looking for a deal on a Remington Rolling Block in .45-70.

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Yugo Sks or new AO m1 carbine?

If you don't load your own ammo, be advised that the surplus 30 Carbine rounds are basically all gone, and the new factory ammo is pricey! There is still a fair amount of surplus 7.62x39 available for good prices.

If you reload, they are about the same cost, although the 30 Carbine is actually a bit more tricky to load for, really. In your case, I wouldn't even consider the 30 Carbine, since it's not powerful enough for anything more than small game to coyotes.

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Success with the H&R 45 Colt Classic Carbine!

Boolit Master Join DateNov 2005LocationNortheast PAPosts360

After a lot of trial and error, I finally got this gun to shoot well. I learned that a full engagement of the latch and locking shelf is necessary and then found that the rifle really likes 7.4gr W231 behind the Lee 200gr RNFP bullet. I don't havve a working camera but had five shots touching at fifty yards. The latch shelf and latch were way out of specs but some careful work with files and stones made it right. Happy camper here.

Boolit Master Join DateJan 2010LocationSpace Coast, FLPosts591

Congratulations on the win, does it not stink that you are required to fit your finished, done, boxed, sold gun. No QC, No pride, welcome to the new world. Yes they are only a couple hundred, but there are only a couple of parts. Chaps my backside everyone I hear about one. Gtek

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There's one of these at my local gunsmiths that I was thinking of picking. But don't know that I will now, I would hate to take a file to a brand new gun! Did you have to reblue it afterwards?

I absolutely love my classic carbine. I have had so much fun trying different loads for the carbine on mild gallery round ball loads to some shoulder bruising barn burners. I had so much fun I had to find a Vaquero in 45 Colt so I could work some loads for both. Good times. Enjoy your rifle

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My 500s&w Handirifle is pure fun. We have loaded it with powder charges of 6.4 grains up to 40tgrains.

Closest recorded range Chrony kill (3 feet with witnesses)

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TMenezes asked:There's one of these at my local gunsmiths that I was thinking of picking. But don't know that I will now, I would hate to take a file to a brand new gun! Did you have to reblue it afterwards?

The area worked on is totally out of sight when the gun is closed. We're talkikng about a 1/8" by 1/2" area. A quick touch of cold blue hides it anyway. Unfortunately a lot of the guns manufactured today have to be "tweaked" by the purchaser.

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I have owned several H&R's in the past and presently have a 30-30, 357 max, and two 45 Colts. I've never had to take a file to any of these guns or any of the ones in the past. The mistake a lot of people make is leaving a film of oil on the latch and shelf. Leaving a film of oil in that area will cause a different lockup each time you close the action. Keep these areas dry of oil and you won't have a problem.

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MN shooters Carbine training in north central MN

Attached you will find a training announcement on a rifle course that Dave and I are hosting through Timm Training and Consulting. Dave and I are both LE officers in the Brainerd Lakes area. We both have extensive backgrounds in firearms training, not only in law enforcement but also in the military (Mike) and competition shooting (Dave). We have conducted other courses in the past but this will be our first two day rifle course. We kept the price low as we know budgets are tight. This is ideal training for the patrol officer and departmental firearms instructor as well as quailified civilians.

The course will be held in the Breezy Point/Pequot Lakes(North central MN) area on June 29th and 30th 2013. Cost is $200. This course is POST approved for 16 credit hours. Class size is limited to 18 students.

Below are some areas of training we will be covering:

-Safe handling of a firearm and the rules of firearms safety
-Carbine Prep and Maintenance
-First and second line gear
-Carbine and gear configuration
-Ballistics and practical application in tactical/practical environments
-Fundamentals of Marksmanship
-Numerous practical shooting drills to develop fundamentals
-Drills to build and reinforce loading, operation, and effective
accurate delivery of rounds
-Ammunition management, and loading techniques and types
-Compression of fundamentals to build speed
-Malfunctions and clearing techniques
-Optic malfunctions and use of back up sights
-Movement, shooting on the move
-Shooting moving and reactionary targets
-Cover and Concealment
-Handgun transition, weapon selection

For a list of complete details (registration, gear list and ammo count) visit us online at timmtraining.com.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact Dave or me at david@timmtraining.com or mike@timmtraining.com .

Mike

Mike Davis
Instructor/training coordinator
Timm Training and Consulting

MORE TRAINING CLASSES FOLLOW BELOW THAT WE ARE HOSTING

Carbine, Shotgun, & Pistol Training Courses - Brainerd Area
by Dave-HuldraArms on Wed May 15, 2013 12:06 am

Hi Everyone,

We are excited to have a great offering of training this year with multi-day courses in carbine, shotgun and pistol. We are also bringing back some training friends, top tier national trainers Louis Awerbuck ad Jeff Gonzales.

Here is our primary class training announcements for 2013, all classes are in the Brainerd Area. For more information please visit our webpage, linked below.

Tactical Shotgun 1 with Louis Awerbuck, August 3-4 $540
Louie is back and is bringing some shotgun skills with him. For those that have trained with Louie before you know what a great experience it is. As with the Stage I Handgun, this course is designed to create reflexive gunhandling, competent marksmanship and tactical thinking. In addition it places strong emphasis on learning what the shotgun will, and most particularly WILL NOT, do. The importance of patterning the shotgun properly is discussed at length. The course also covers ammunition selection, loading and unloading, reloading and ammunition selection while involved in a shooting scenario, shooting from several ready positions and various tactical body positions, dim-light and flashlight shooting (dependent on time of sundown and range restrictions), shooting on the move, moving targets, multiple targets and weapon retention.

Combative Pistol 2 with Jeff Gonzales, August 23-25, $625, plus local range fee
Jeff of Trident Concepts is also back to train with us this year, except this time we are offering a handgun course with Jeff.
The Combative Pistol, Level Two (CP2) is an intermediate 3-day course focused on hammering out the rough edges to the modern gunfighter. It will instruct the pistol’s core fighting skills by using full range sessions and high repetitions to continue forging correct technique. The course will progress to more challenging drills that will increase the student’s shooting speed and combat marksmanship. Graded evolutions throughout the course provide instant feedback to the student on skill development, technique deficiencies and overall ability. The linear progressive training exercises refines the combative fundamentals in order to progress to more advanced courses.

For more information, and to register, please don't hesitate to contact us or visit our webpage. Fast links to the above courses is available on the main page on the announcement tab on the right.
http://www.timmtraining.com

As many of you know, Mills Indoor Shooting & Archery is open and a phenomenal firearms range and retail shop. More training opportunities through the range, smaller one day classes, will be announced soon.

Thanks everyone and we look forward to training with you!

Dave & Mike

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WTT or WTS .30 Carbine Brass- IL

WTT or WTS .30 Carbine Brass- IL I have about 150-175 fired .30 Carbine Brass I am going to tumble and sort at my leisure, unless someone is interested here. I got it in an "elaborate trade deal" It sells for about $35/100 where I have looked... I would sell for $15/50 plus actual shipping. BUT, what I would really like is to trade for some .308 brass 1/1. Before I trade/sell/ship I will tumble, inspect/sort and deprime. I also have a few stripper clips to send along with the cases. PM with any questions or offers.

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One Mold Good for both 7.62x39 and .30 Carbine?

Trust me, I've got a point towards the end.
I see you needing two or more molds, but you don't have to pay for them.

Thanks to some great folks here, I'm getting back into casting after a 20+ year hiatus.
While casting today I started calculating how much I'd invested and how many boolits I'd have to make to amortize the equipment. The figurative slap upside my head was that only the cost of the lead and lube matters. Every piece of equipment could be resold and I'd still have my boolits.

My advise to you is slug your bores, purchase an appropriate mold - cast several thousand boolits and then sell the mold. Repeat as necessary.

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Lino and Pure mix for Carbine 9mm?

Boolit Master Join DateMar 2011LocationWoods Cross UTPosts648

I have been looking for the past couple of hours now and am not finding any answers! Is Hardball the best mix here or perhaps 2/1 pure/lino? I will also be shooting this our of an XDM as well!

I shoot WC CWW in my 9mm AR.. Loves em, eats em like M&Ms..

I don't have an AR but shoot a Camp Carbine. I'm running the same loads, Lee 356-125 2R cast from range scrap weighing 126 and sized to .358 over 5 grains of Unique. Pretty much the standard load for 9mm I've used since the 80s. They group nicely and are pretty darned quiet out of the 16" barrel. I'm dying to try some with plain based gas checks to see how the groups react. In my pistols they really tightened up. I also want to try the 356-102 1R with a PB check loaded a little warmer. They weigh 105 from range scrap and the check brought them to 109, also sized to .358 diameter. I ran some of those through two of my pistols and they were zippy fun. Too bad I didn't take the carbine with me that day.

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Boolit Master Join DateMar 2011LocationWoods Cross UTPosts648

Not trying to be rude but that is not really answering my question. I have no clue what WC CWW, 1R nor 2R means.

I understand the rest like the molds you are using. I am however not really understanding what mix I should use.

Utah, nothing rude about a legit question. WC CWW usually means water cooled clip on wheel weights. Some folks type COWW that are either AC air cooled or WC water cooled. There are lots of threads on hardness levels that work best for this or that cartridge. Some folks like theirs hard cast, I have had good luck with softer alloy and a decent lube. I've used Javalina, 50/50 bees wax/alox, home made loob, and most recently, White Label BAC. White Label is a vendor here.

1R or 2R is the ogive radius of the boolit. A 1R is 1x the radius of the boolit diameter, 2R is 2x the radius or a longer rounded nose. Rifle boolits can be 5R.

As far as mixing Lino with soft lead, there are threads that explain how much Lino mixed with soft lead and tin would give you a brinnel hardness level of X. You can read a lot of threads on the various subjects for which you have questions and the answers are there. You can also do as you have done and simply ask. Most folks here are pretty good at giving answers rather than grief.

On the subject of 9mm carbine loads, I have read an awful lot about not trying to load the 9 for the longer barrel as most carbines are designed to run standard pistol ammo. Some of what I read discussed the operating systems being designed for the typical pressure curve of pistol ammo.

The 9 is designed to launch out of a pistol length barrel and so the expanding gasses have pretty much done all they can do before reaching the end of a 16" barrel. That may explain why my standard load seems so quiet out of the longer tube. Oh ya, the Marlin is a blowback and I believe the AR platform is as well. Someone who owns one would better answer that question. The only thing I've seen regarding improved velocity in carbines is using slower powders like Blue Dot which burned a little longer in the 16" barrel. I haven't tested that theory personally. Unique has been working well for me and so I've stuck with that powder. Keep the questions coming, I'm sure lots of folks will chime in with their wisdom and experience.

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Krag Carbine Loads

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