cast plinker load change to magnum primers?

Primers are pretty scarce these days, and if that's what you can find, just drop back a bit.

last year, I unearthed a thousand Remington 9 1/2M's that were buried in a ammo can of unused powders. Not really buried, just out of sight from a move in 1994. Found two lbs of unopened RL-12 I couldn't find though.

I used most of them to light up Trail Boss loads in my .243/7/08/.280/.30-30/.35 Rem./.35 Whelen. I couldn't see any difference.

I wouldn't swap them out on a max load of 4895 under a heavy bullet, or a hot varmint load on a hot day for that matter. For practice loads at the low end of the charge range, you should be fine.

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.44 magnum on a m1 carbine frame?

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From the Oct 1963 Shotgun News:

The Bay of Pigs occurred over a span of time in 1959 & 1960:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/chron.html

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Chest rig for Redhawk 7.5 44 magnum

Hello all I am wanting to see if anyone knows where I can find a left handed chest rig for a ruger redhawk 44 mag with 7.5 inch barrel. Everywhere i look its right handed only.

Any starting places to look?

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Who makes a good 357 magnum Trapper?

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ANY Model 92 can/will handle any load you care to fire in it.

FWIW, I've owned/shot/hunted with a 16" Rossi .357 Model 92 for the past 5 years w/o issue.

I've replaced the bolt-top lawyer safety with a peep sight, and NEVER attempt to use (feed/shoot) ANY boolits that have sharp shoulders, like Keith-style semi-wadcutters, etc.

It flings 158gr JSP's downrange (100yds) into 1-1/2" to 2" groups about as regularly as I can make it and also makes deer DRT.

Of course, if you want a PERFECT .357 Model 92, you can always hunt down a discontinued Browning/Miroku for 2X the money - and it'll still need a decent set of sights for hunting, and won't feed boolits as above, either.............

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How much difference is there in a magnum primer vs standard primer?

I just loaded up 100rds of 9mm with the Lyman 356242 121gr boolit.

3.3grs of titegroup and 3.5grs of titegroup(different loads to play with)

I did not realize that I had put in CCI 550 small pistol magnum primers in the cases until just a minute ago.

Max load is listed at 3.8grs of titegroup in Lyman 49th. Then on Hodgdon's site, it lists 115gr boolit at 3.9-4.3grs of titegroup and 124gr LCN(?) at 3.6-4.0

Will they be safe to shoot, or do I need pull them down and start over?

I will fear no evil, for thou art with me.

My 9mm CCI magnum pistol primer tests with my cases, my boolits, my guns, my powder of choice and my charge weight of choice say it's not a big deal with low to mid range loads. No data on near max and I don't plan to have any, but I'd say your fine. Some magnum primers are indeed stronger, but they're not little nuclear bombs just waiting to be touched off.

If you search the web, you'll find hundreds (thousands?) of questions exactly like yours. Many people advocate caution and don't do it, but many offer their experiences and say it's no big deal. If it were me, I'd shoot 'em. But that's me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=magnum+primers+in+9mm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a

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As I have been unable to find any standard primers for sale, but have had opportunities to buy magnum primers, I did. Yesterday I did a test comparing the two. Using Remington 2-1/2 standard large pistol primers, CCI 350 magnum large pistol primers, and two different military surplus powders, M9 and #105, I prepared four samples of test ammo. M9 and #105 powders were obtained from Jeff Bartlett at GIBrass.com. Burning rate appears to be similar to Unique. The two powders appear to be the same, but do not meter the same. M9 charges throw a little bit lighter than #105. The difference could easily be attributed to them being different lots of the same powder.

The test cartridge was the 41 Remington Magnum with 240 gr LBT WFN GC bullet. Moderate loads of each powder were assembled using standard primers, and loads using 1/2 grain less powder were assembled with magnum primers. Five shots of each combination were fired over the chronograph. Mean velocities of the four treatments were compared using ANOVA. There were no significant differences in average velocities, which were all very close to 1150 fps.

Magnum and standard primer velocities were pooled and variances were compared using the F test. There was no significant difference. However, it appeared to the Mk I eyeball that there may be a difference in variance, and a repeat test with a larger sample size might indicate a significant difference, with magnum primer loads being more variable. However, given that the difference is not significant at this level, even if found to be different with a larger sample size it probably is not important.

In conclusion, substituting magnum primers with an appropriate adjustment in charges and avoiding maximum loads can be a successful expedient during times of primer shortages.

I've switched on occasion and with low to mid-range loads,have noticed no difference with 9mm, 45acp, 44mag or 45lc. In a well functioning, well made firearm i'd shoot them up. I would stay away from max loads out of caution but thats me

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Not much difference in SP primers, you are good to go.

I my 357 BH with a 125 grn lead tc bullet and 4.5 grn of unique I have found the CCI sp mag primers make the round more accurate. Although in my 2" S&W mod 10 I have been having some ignition problems. I believe it may be seating depth since the round will go off on the second strike.

My daughter also has problems with setting the CCI's off with her Ruger SR9. Even after returning it to Ruger.

As far as your load goes, I have never used Titegroup so I can't comment on that.

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It could be an issue if you shoot maximum or near max loads. I never go very close to max loads and have not had an issue.
Use tried and true load development techniques, or just back down a bit.

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I've ended up with magnum pistol primers from trades , all pistol primers no rifle stuff as of yet . Since I rarely load pistols and revolvers to where such primers are really useful , I've used them in place of small rifle primers . Now I will quickly point out that I don't load the ammo anywhere near pressures that would be to much for a pistol primer . The loads were more a means of using up what I had not looking for the last bit of velocity .

I've used both CCI and Winchester small pistol magnum primers and got good loads from both . Now that those primers are gone I can try using small rifle primers for one of the loads . I am interested to see the difference in accuracy between the Winchester small pistol magnum and the Winchester small rifle primers . Just for what it's worth , all this has been with the .223 Remington case .

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.41 magnum bullet - what happened?

S&W Models 57 and 58

Ruger Blackhawk (SA) and Redhawk (DA), though .41 is not as common in those

Energy is similar to .44, though not quite as high; trajectory is flatter than .44.

The .41 never really achieved popularity because it was marketed to police officers, who were really looking for more of a ".41 Special." If the .41 had been developed around a 200gn bullet at 950-1000fps, it would probably have sold like hotcakes.

But, since it was marketed primarily to LE, and not hunters, it didn't take off like the .44 (marketed to hunters) did. Low quantity of sales led to higher cost of ammo, which made it even less popular - except with handloaders, who often love the .41.

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Should be fine against black bears; not sure I'd want to use ANY reasonable handgun against a grizzly, but in extremis this might work...

Buffalo Bore heavy .41 Magnum (A: 265gr LWN; B: 230gr Keith; C: 170gr JHP)

Check these velocities taken from real guns.

1. 6.5" Ruger

a. Item #16A - 1379 fps
b. Item #16B - 1459 fps
c. Item #16C - 1640 fps

2. 4" S&W Mountain Gun

a. Item #16A - 1310 fps
b. Item #16B - 1370 fps
c. Item #16C - 1551 fps

Note: Against larger critters, I'd go with the heavier bullets

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Reloading 9mm with Small Magnum Pistol Primers?

Boolit Master Join DateFeb 2012LocationOregonPosts198

I was all excited to see CCI small pistol primers on the shelf that I did not notice they were Magnum until I got home. I now have 2k primers I hope you guys help me figure out how to adjust my powder so I can use them.

I am using 356-124tl with 4g of Unique and Recluse lube. I am shooting them out of a 1911 9mm. 4g of Unique is the lowest recommendation and I think 5g is the peak recommendation.

Can I adjust my powder so I can use these magnum primers?

Thanks

Slow

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I use mag primers almost all the time regardless of whether or not they are called for. All you have to do is back your load back 10% if you are at mid range or higher and watch for pressure signs. You're not even close so I'd just use them. FWIW, I've never gotten any pressure problems doing this and I've been loading over 40 years

I believe mag vs std primers is only a significant factor when you get near max loads. Since your already at the start load, I wouldn't worry about it. As always, work up from there. Those with more experience than I will chime in shortly...1...2...3...

I've only done it with .38's. I was in the middle of the load range so there was no issue.
I would do what NSB suggests in the above post.

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I loaded I think 30 9mm about a month or so ago with CCI Small Pistol Magnum primers I've had since 1993. The loads were mid-range Power Pistol and their performance was no different than with the non magnum primers.

I had intended to load a lot more, but an interruption stopped me at 100 rounds a week ago using that same lot of primers. I'll very likely shoot the 100 before I load any more, but my intention is to use them in 9mm and enjoy them.

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Sounds like I am ok with the load I am using with the magnum primers. Well looks like I can keep shooting a little longer

Better to be poked in the eye with a wet fish than a sharp stick

I load whatever I can find. Mags seem to be more redialy avaialbe these days.

I use them in 9mm, 38SP, 40 S&W, and the large ones in 45LC.

As stated above....just back off your standard load ~10% for starters. My standard loads are 65-70% normally.

bangerjim

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My results have been the same as bangerjim's. Go for it.

Agree with all of the comments. I've used Mag Primers for all loads with no difference although I do not load to Max with them

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pile drivers in 458 magnum

Tom,

As I recall the piledriver has a Wide Flat Nose.

If I am correct, pushing it overly fast might give you results you'd rather not see.

I had a 355gr WFN moving at just over 2300fps for my first year of cast bullet hunting and the deer I took that year was surely dead right there.

Huge wound channel! Way over kill.

Now, I'm using a 465gr WFN at 1650fps and it is just soooooo much better ! Great wound channel without over the huge over kill, and the wound channel is looooog!

It is pretty well documented that the velocities over the mid thousand feet per second decrease the length of the wound channel ----- Read Randy Garrets and the Beartooth Bullet info on this ----.

Then, if the wound is as over the top waaaay too much as seen with the 355WFN, with the Piledrivers at .458 velocities, you may have way more then you really want.

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Advice for rossi 44 magnum rifle.

Boolit Mold Join DateMay 2013Posts13

Just picked up a rossi 44 magnum rifle in a trade. Wondering what molds and dies people use. Will just be a plinking gun and maybe hunt deer with it. I know these have a bigger boar than normal so advice for a mold that drops fatter bullets would be nice. Thanks in advance.

it may or may not have the 432 barrel.
I shoot 430 in mine.
anyway a 240gr rnfp will be your ticket to happiness and simplicity.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

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I use a 429244 in mine slides through my Winchester like butter.

I use the 429-667 Rf 240 grainer, mine doesn.t like SWC's, but sized .431, those shoot well.

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I shoot .431" in mine and it does alright, only ever needed a bronze brush and some oil to clean out the worst, usually just a boresnake through it is enough.

Mine was a tigre model with the medallion of the jaguar on the side. It did Ok with the 429421 and wc820 in quantities to hurt your shoulder.

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Thanks for the advice. When i can order a mold that is in stock i will update.

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gun weight in 3 inch barrel where you feel shooting .357 magnum felt recoil is accept

In my limited experience "good" grips are more important than more weight.

I had two .357s, a 39oz 6" M-19 with factory wood grips, and a 22+oz 2 1/8" M-60 with UM's Combat grips.

The same .357 loads were much more comfortable to shoot from the M-60.

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Ruger .44 Magnum Not Extracting

I have a Ruger .44 Magnum carbine purchased in the late 70's. It probably has less than 100 rounds shot through it. The problem I have is that spent shells are not extracted from chamber. The bolt is being shoved back by the gas piston because shells from the tube magazine are fed and that does not occur unless the bolt moves all the way to the rear. But the fired shell does not leave the chamber. I see barely little marring of the rimmed cartridge where the extractor gets hold of it.

Now here the weird thing. If I place a fired round in the chamber and close the bolt with a live round in the magazine, then pull the bolt back with my hand, the empty shell is extracted and ejected with the live round being chambered. It works properly when not fired. Evidently a fired case is much harder to remove than a cool previously fired one.

I've removed the bolt and pushed the pin out of the extractor. There was some old grease under the extractor which I cleaned up. I have not gotten a chance to fire it yet to see if that worked.

I am shooting reloads. The load is 21.5 grains of Hercules 2400 with a 240 grain Sierra HP bullet and a large pistol primer.

Is this a common problem? Any advice would be appreciated. Lastly, occasionally the gun functions properly.

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44 magnum, what barrel length?

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I've had both lengths, and much prefer the 8-3/8" both for looks/style and performance.

When hunting, I use a cross-chest bandillero-type holster ( a Bianchi 4100 Ranger ), so bbl length isn't a carrying issue - and the guns are handheld while actually hunting/stalking.

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Are small magnum pistol primers harder than small pistol primers?

I've been handloading 357 magnum for a couple of years now. I just recently noticed that the recipes I got from Accurate Arms for AA9 in 357 mag called for magnum small pistol primers, and I'd been using small pistol primers.

So over the weekend I fired 50 of the old rounds with small pistol primers, and had no issues. I then fired 50 rounds that had the magnum small pistol primers and had about 3 misfires. The gun was a GP100 that's never misfired before. I previously used CCI small pistol primers (#500), and on this batch started using the CCI magnum small pistol primers (#550).

It's not a huge thing, and the rounds fired on a second try, but I HATE hearing a click when expecting a bang. The only thing I can figure is that the 550's are harder than the 500's. Is it possible that the 550's are harder?

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Magnum rifle primers and 8mm cast boolit loads.

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I can't get ahold of any primers. Except for large magnum rifle primers, and I was curious if anyone had any experience using magnum PR with, regular 8mm loads. For example, using them with 18 grains of Aliant 2400 powder under a 175 grain cast boolit, or with 47 grains of H 380 with a 175 grain spitzer soft point. I would venture to guess that it should work...

I have used em and the only change I made was to reduce my charge by 2 grains.

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Was this with the cast boolit load? Or regular load?

Boolit Master Join DateJun 2009LocationKentuckyPosts203

I haven't used them in my loads, but would not hesitate to do so. The load you mentioned in your post is one of my favorite for the 8mm with the #321297 cast bollit. As the other reply stated, you might want to reduce the load a couple of grains to see how the performance is. You can always add another grain if you think that it will help.

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I am pretty sure the pressure from the cast boolit load, even with magnum primers, is well below the pressure that the military 8mm rifle can handle... I would assume that it would work, but of course I am interested in seeing if people have tried it.

I am in the same boat as you. I have a large surplus of Remington 9 1/2 primers that I needed to find a use. I have been shooting the Lee 175 gr boolit with 19 grs of 2400 and the Rem 9 1/2. Also the same charge and primer under the Lyman 323471. Works well. As mentioned above, the pressure generated by these loads is still well below any max loading. No worries, use those magnum primers.

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Cool, but aren't Remington 9 1/2 just regular large rifle primers not magnum?

You are correct. I forgot the M part. Thanks for helping me get it straight.

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A dumb, dumb swaging question, .22 Magnum brass to make heavier .224" bullets???

Hi all,

I have seen the dies or kits around for years to make 50 to 55 grain-ish projectiles out of .22LR brass. I was just wondering if you could use .22 Magnum brass and make heavier .224" projectiles???

Thanks!

The punch to derim them may need to be longer.
I use them to make 6mm/.243 bullets.

Okay, thanks! I was just wondering if it would be possible to make something comparable to the much coveted (read expensive) 77 grain Sierra Match King bullet. Thanks!

while yes you can make a 77 grain bullet with 22 mag brass. Its not going to rival the Match King because in its best its not going to be a match bullet. But it should give you ok accuracy and do a pretty good job of delivering kinetic energy to a varmint or target down range.

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