Winchester Model 70 or Tikka T3 Lite Rifle ?

Yesterday, 01:58 PM One of the hardest kicking rilfes I've ever shot was on of those feather weight model 70, 270's. Trust me, I have some big bore rifles, 300mag and 338 mag, and neither of those ever put a hurting on me like that Winchester did, and I'm not recoil shy or sensitive.

I have a pre-64 270 I haven't shot in 40 years, but if I was going to buy an new one, it would probably be the Tikka. That's strickly based on the way the two I have shoot. A couple of years ago I bought a T3 Lite 243 for my granddaughter, but she didn't like it's recoil. That one was so flipping accurate, I was wanting a 22-250 and didn't want to wait a year to get one built so I figured I'd try one in the Tikka Varmint. It to is amazingly accurate. Don't know about other's experience with them but the two I have are two of the best shooting factory rifles I've ever shot. Now, be prepared to have it rock your world a little bit, because I'm sure at just over six pounds, it's gonna let you know you've shot it. They do have a lot of plastic but they are solid rifles where it counts, and they do shoot.

Understand, when I'm shooting the Tikka's, it's with loads I have well massaged for them. I don't shoot factory ammo so I can't honestly say how they shoot with factory loads.

One other thing, that black thing on the butt of the stock may look like a recoil pad, but it's not, it's hard, so you might want to consider the price of a LimbSaver pad in your pricing one out. That Winchester Feather weight I shot also had a solid butt plate.

Last edited by BKeith; Yesterday at 02:09 PM. Yesterday, 07:32 PM Well, I finally get it thanks to each of you, Fred, Mike, and BK. Being new to hunting rifles is more difficult than shooting skeet with my 12 gauge IMO.....

I can ask one of my friends if I can shoot his 270Win T3 at the range, so I get to experience the recoil. Maybe I can get to fire a Model 70 as well for comparison, if not, at least I have at least one data point with the T3 experience.

Also, another friend said he paid $250 to have his 300WMG T3 ported which supposedly reduced apparent recoil by 15 percent. He also replaced the stock recoil pad that came with the gun. Do you guys see porting as really an advantage to get off the second shot, if necessary, it it only yields a 15% reduction in recoil?

Again, I greatly appreciate each of you explaining what I need to know.

Yesterday, 11:31 PM If he is only getting a 15% reduction then there must not be very many ports or what is there is very small. Usually it's more in the 35%-50% reduction with a properly done port. There's one thing you can do which will save you money and reduce recoil for when you are at the range, there is a clamp on muzzlebrake and they are in the $80-$125 range.

Some of the clamp on's will give you 50%-60% reduction in recoil. Tikka actually makes one for the T3 Lite that will reduce the felt recoil by at least 35% and up. They are more expensive in the $175 range. There's a couple of negatives to using one of these and that is the muzzle blast will be outrageous and the people sitting any where near you at the range will not be happy. You can never go to the range and practice without ear protection or you will regret it.

It will help you stay on target better for a faster follow up shot if needed by reducing the muzzle flip. If you shoot it during the twilight period it will be brighter than normal and could blind you temporarily from the flash. I would use it at the range and sit to one end alone if possible and for me personally I would take it off for hunting situations.

Here's a few that make them, Tikka T3 HSS Clamp on Brake, Grizzly Gunworks, Coretac Solutions, Badger Ordinance, and Kahntrol.

Here's one more thing where recoil with the 12ga is concerned, it's actually much more than a 270 Win overall and in some cases much, much more. The numbers in parentheses are the weight of load in ounces and the muzzle velocity, then the numbers to the far right are the recoil in ft lb numbers. You can see that the 3 inch shells are about 2 1/2 times what a 270 Win would be with a 130gr or 140gr bullet.

12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1200) 7.5 23.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/4 at 1330) 7.5 32.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/2 at 1260) 7.5 45.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 5/8 at 1280) 7.5 52.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 7/8 at 1210) 8.75 54.0

Last edited by fred243; Yesterday at 11:47 PM. Today, 12:43 AM Location: Springfield, South CarolinaI have a good friend who is a gunsmith and I noticed he had put a Smith Enterprises muzzle brake on his rifle and he said recoil is severely reduced with it. Might be something to consider.

Then again you could add weight to a Tikka.

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New Winchester brass

Last week I ordered some new Winchester brass for the 30-40 Krag from Graf and sons.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/19593

They have a warning on their website saying...
Due to the packaging and shipping process, case necks are often slightly dinged or bent and need to be rounded up and sized to give proper neck tension. New and/or fired cases must be full-length resized or have the expander ball of the sizing die run through the case neck prior to loading.

I'm fine with that but this new brass had several pieces with a single deep crimp like gouge on the neck end. One was to the point where it was at least a 3mm crack.

I can't seem to find the really bad one at the moment but here's a picture.

Is this common or should I contact Winchester. or Graf and Sons?

Again these are brand new, never used and straight from the factory.

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Winchester 121 bolt disassembly help

Searched the internet for any information and instruction on disassembling the Winchester 121 bolt and found no useful results. This is a single shot bolt action .22. Bolt is out, firing pin and extractor are off, retaining circlips off, but no access to the striker spring, rod, etc., internal to the bolt body.

Thankful for any suggestions.

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1884 Winchester 32 wcf octagon barrel

Yes, your rifle is a Model 1892. The model marking is on the upper tang, under the tang sight. The caliber is commonly called 32-20 today.

It does have some serious wear, but would still be interesting to many. If its in fairly good mechanical condition, and the action and takedown is reasonably tight, it would be desirable as a shooter, and worth more than a common gun.

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Winchester 60A- Odd one here..

Winchester 60A- Odd one here.. Gents,

I recently inherited an interesting piece. My Father passed away and left he his Father's "Snake Gun".
Grandpa used to go down from Indiana to Flordia and fish Lake Okeechobee each fall and this rifle/pistol was part of his standard kit. I guess he could handle the gators, but the Cotton Mouths were too much.

It's a Winchester 60A, but I can't find a serial number or anything else to identify if its a "stock" piece or a modified.

Any ideas?

Thanks

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winchester 94 loading gate problem

I'd take it out of the rifle to work on it. The answer above is correct, the rib on the back of the gate is burred and needs to be cleaned up, the back and edges smoothed out.

Care must be taken to get the screw in straight when reassembling, it's easy to get it cross threaded and damage either the screw or gate, or both. If the front of the gate is allowed to be out of the hole just slightly when barely starting the screw, once it's in and cleanly cutting threads, wiggle it around and get the front in the hole behond the opening before snuggling up the screw.

Soneone will likely be along and say its normal, that if you just don't push each round in all the way, you can load more. Yes, that works, but when properly fitted up, the gate should operate slickly and smoothly to load more rounds. My older guns do so, and ones I've smoothed up also are simple load more into without drama. There's no good reason to put up with the gate not operating well.

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Winchester post 64 Model 70 experts - action screw spacing

Quick and probably dumb question on post-64 action screw spacing -

I picked up a MINT Model 70 Ranger but want to replace the bland stock.

I've seen the action screw spacing listed on different stock maker's sites as both 7 5/8 and 7 9/16 apart. My measurement comes out to 7 9/16.

Is this truly a difference that exists, or are some stock suppliers simply using a "close" estimate? This is a blind mag model, not one with a floorplate.

Thanks!

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Winchester 77 trigger adjust

I just purchased a Winchester Model 77 and immediately took it apart and see a screw and nut at the top of the trigger and was wondering if the trigger pull can be adjusted with this screw and nut and if so how? Tighten or loosen the nut.

The reason I took it apart so quickly is because the barrel has had some rusting and the wood is in great need of re-finishing and my intention is to completely refinish the wood and rust blue the rest of the metal. Before anyone goes ballistic on me, I plan on keeping it, putting a period scope on it and and shooting it - anyway - my folly - my gun.

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WTB Savage 99A or EG in .243 Winchester

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Winchester 1895 in .30-03

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As per my previuos reply here, Gun show dealers buy LOW, to make a score for resale, or they don't buy at all - after all, they're not gun lovers like most of us, they're businessmen who make a buck the best way they can, beit guns, cars, or pencils.

Ditto most of the walk-around public - who don't (as a rule) have the deep pockets found in gun auction bidders.

"Condition" is everything, and being a Carbine certainly helps - as would a Cody letter on the gun, which would prove beyond a doubt how it left New Haven.
Google ".30-03 Winchester 1895 Carbine" and look through the first several pages of results.

A seller will only get out of something, the effort they make/put into selling it, and I've found out the hard way that a proper presentation/documentation goes a long way to bringing more money for whatever.

That includes good pics (if an online auction), and a good (language) description (look at some premier/antique auction site item descriptions to get a handle on how the best way to do so).

Please remember: There's only one chance, to make that first impression.

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HP38 and Winchester 231

My understanding is Hodgdon makes the powder and it is sold by Winchester. So HP-38 and Winchester W231 are one in the same. I don't recall which company developed the powder in the first place. I believe it was originally designed to work with .38 loads. Exactly opposite. Winchester, who owned Olin, developed W-231, but sold it in bulk to Hodgdon who packaged it as HP-38. Hodgdon does not make ANY powder. It simply distributes powder, made by other companies. Now they own the former Olin plant called St. Marks. They also own rights to the former Dupont IMR powder company, and distribute those powders as well.

Here's a list of those powders that have always been the same;

W-296 = H-110
W-231 = HP-38
W-540 = HS-6
W-571 = HS-7

There's others, I can't remember, somebody will be along to fill in the gaps.

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Winchester 120 barrel

Remington 1100 fore end won't go on with new barrel MAC702 Shotguns, Shotgunning, and Shotshell Reloading 8 01-08-2011 04:11 AM

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Winchester model 1897 12gauge

Your 97 almost certainly is chambered for 2 9/16" shells, not the 2 3/4" shells that are standard today. (That's fired length, not loaded length). Short shells are available, or you can load your own cut down hulls.

I have read that if the SN is below 568841, there is a possibility that the barrel is Damascus Steel. Then you should probably either use Black powder loads or hang the gun on a wall.

As far as the Maglite goes (not a bad idea, I'll have to remember that one), if the gun is choked Full and your others have less constriction, that may be the problem. I don;t know how tight the 97s were choked, but a Full would run about 0.694" at the muzzle.

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.270 Winchester, Best mid-range load?

I use 150s..........Hornady SST's for practice and IB's for hunting. The SST's are cheaper but have the same BC as the IB's. Same sight settings, same velocity.

50 Grs of 4350 makes a nice accurate load in my Model 70 Featherweight.

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Accurate mold for 30-30 Winchester.

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I like the looks of this bullet from Accurate Molds. Anyone use this one for 30-30?

http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-150B-D.png

I had him design the 31-180E for me. It is awesome!......if you're into plain base boolits. He could easily make it a gas check. Just ask.

As for the design you askd about, I'd say it'd run great.

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that's a fair copy of the rcbs 30-150 with the nose changed slightly.
it will work quite well in a 30-30.

it's all an educated guess,,,, till the trigger is pulled.

the more i find out about shootin boolits, the more it contradicts everything i ever learned about shooting jaxketed.

I have this one http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-170C-D.png and it is working great. Still in final load development, so far so good. Does a number on gallon jugs!

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I use the same one as oneshot
do believe I got the very first one
been using it quite awhile excellent choice

I also have the 31-170C for Win 30-30. Works great on paper targets. Haven't had the opportunity to shoot at food yet.

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348 Winchester Mould Design Cast Diameter for Custom Moulds

My bore diameter is .348. How much larger should I make my mould? Several threads size to .351 or .352. One rifle needs .354.
My neck diameter is .377.
Normal suggestion is to size .001 or .002 over bore size.
I have two different lots of Winchester brass and the neck thickness for one is .012 max and the other is .011 max.
For best accuracy which is more important (factory and military chambers):
1. Bore diameter.
2. Using the largest bullet diameter the neck diameter will allow.

A bullet sized to .352 would give about .002 neck clearance, but over bore diameter by .004.
I know this is not a target rifle, but want to use this same concept for my military rifles. A local club has a cast bullet military rifle matches.

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