Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Registration with department of state to sell a few projectiles?

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ITAR is for export and import. If you conduct business with only U.S. Citizens in the United States ITAR is not applicable. If you even give a foreign national information or a U.S. Citizen working for a foreign owned firm or as an agent of a foreign national you have made an export. An export does not have to be a product it can also be information knowingly given or not. When it comes to arms related stuff such as bullet jackets etc ITAR comes in to play and is under the State Department. So as far as selling jackets or bullets for a business is concerned Either get an export license or do not do business that requires an export.
Last edited by Reload3006; 03-09-2013 at 07:10 AM.
Alright, call me an idiot, but do they really put these kinds of controls on projectiles? I understand loaded ammo, or explosive components, but swaged bullets?
Where do our boolit mold fit into this lovely system?
I wonder if you got ahold of someone and explained that you are making bullets, and they thought you meant loaded ammunition? There are thousands of pencil pushers who's eyes would glaze over if you explained the four components, and that they actually come apart.

When it comes to dealing with the ATF, you need to do your own research. You can talk to three different agents, and get three different answers.
Another thing. They dont have the resources to track down every Tom Dick an Hairy and look over their operation. They go after folks that get on their radar by doing something very visible. If you are selling locally, and you are not doing anything with loaded ammo (blow someone up and get sued) its hard for me to see how you would end up on their radar, and even if you did, would they throw you under the jail for making a few bullets on the side? I just don't see it.

Keep your nose clean, keep you mouth shut, do an honest business, and sell a good product and by the time you need that $2250 something or other, you will be able to afford it no problem, along with insurance, which you will need because getting sued is the biggest way you get on these guy's radar.
That's my take on it.

Tim Malcolm

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Thomas Edward Lawrence

The sale of ANY bullets, cast, swaged, or otherwise, FOR PROFIT (why else would you sell them?) requires all the ATF paperwork. PERIOD!

Are there people selling cast lead bullets without the paperwork? yes, very likely. Those people are foolish. The few dollars isn't worth PRISON time.

It's the jacketed bullets that the ATF is MOST concerned about. Those are the "serious" bullets.

You darn well better have your ATF paperwork in place before SELLING any bullets.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. You may be willing to go to prison by skipping paperwork. I am NOT.



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aaronraad is offline Boolit Mold Join DateMar 2011LocationQld, AustraliaPosts13
Okay here are a couple of examples: I can import a bullet comparator from Sinclair without any paperework, but it all goes south when I add a modified 22H case for Hornady seating depth tool. Dare I say importinng dies has not been an issue either.US citizens can obiously buy/sell (2nd hand?) components without issue, projectiles included. Are quantities limited? How do you know the other citizen won't export them, do you sign an agreement with them?

If anything you've got admire the hyprocrisy of the system or really enjoy -> . Maybe if the US governement was as effective at regulating their banking/credit system, as they are with exports, then 2009 might have been just another year. I'll stop being critical now and go back to projectile design on the up-and-up...your DTIC reports are fantastic!

preachinpilot is offline Boolit Mold Join DateFeb 2013Posts2
Yep . Gotta pay it. i am in the process of getting my business all together. What can I do , fail? I will succeed. Have to pay the ITAR fee as ATF is giving 30 days to comply with the state dept or they rescind your 07. If you figure the cost as overhead it comes out to app. 220/mo for the fees and SOT tax. I am casting LBT bullets and swaging 40's (BT Sniper) for local shops and online sales. I am looking at getting a Ballisti Cast X to pump out 40 cast, hand cast LBT heavy's and Star sizer. Also note, I am not sselling but am building up an inventory that is properly aged 30 days so i have some cushion. I have three shops to outfit and I am thinking on the lines of 30,000 bullets boxed before sale.
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